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VRCWiki talk:Conflicts of interest

2026-09-24T05:12:54Z

Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3: /* COI Policy Review and update */

== The current COI policy is not very interpretable ==

I have a concern with the current state of the conflicts of interest policy. The documentation on this policy is both lenient and vague, and I feel like this policy needs to be ''VRChat-ified'' and also give examples and what may or may not qualify as a conflict.

For instance:

# "family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships" should remain in the article, but we could also make room to make it more relatable, and pertinent to VRChat. Maybe instead change this to: ''"VRChat friends, real friends, development teams that you hold a relationship with; clients, employers, among financial and other relationships"''
# "Some VRChat users may be the only source of information for worlds, avatars, and tools. It is acceptable for those users to contribute this information." opens up a gate for content creators to unconditionally work on their own article. I feel like there should be some, but limited exception to this rule, and would rather have to status quo be something similar to: ''"If there is uncertainty of information, the presence of misinformation, or misrepresentation contained within in article, the primary source may need to be queried for guidance by an editor."'' rather than personally allowing a COI to occur.
# Creation of an article, made directly by the world or avatar's author (or team) should '''never be allowed''', and this would break the ''"Avoid advertising and use neutral language to maintain a neutral point of view (NPOV)."'' statement within the policy. Creation of an article is giving the content a platform to promote itself, and writing NPOV as the primary source will almost always be impossible; this will be biased.
# We should also be linking 'good faith', 'be bold' and 'neutral point of view' policies; I recently added a COI Noticebox, and "See also" heading to this article recently. Let's proofread that too.

Thanks! [[User:Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0|Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0]] ([[User talk:Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0|talk]]) 00:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

:I think what's most problematic here is that its a direct copy of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|Wikipedia's COI]] page. This should've been changed much earlier to apply to VRCWiki better. Other policies also need significant updates as well for similar reasons I'm noticing. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 00:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

The primary source not being able to straight up make a page in the Community: namespace and not being able to edit on it goes against one of the core principles of VRChat. VRChat is driven by user generated content and often the only ones able to talk about this sort of content are the ones who made it.

This applies to any community content, however for worlds and avatars specifically you may only be able to have surface level pages made for the top 0.1% most visited worlds + some stragglers edited from others unaffiliated. We would simply lose out on a lot of valuble contributions, if we put a roadblock for people to share their knowledge here.

I also dislike that having to go through a talk page would mean to be at the mercy of someone else. This would just mean that a few select who would bother to write up the page based on talk page input, have control of what gets added by selecting such requests or ignoring it. I would much rather someone passionate enough to engage with the wiki directly.

Further, a stringent COI policy wont stop anyone somewhat dedicated enough from making the article anyway. Ask a friend to make a barebones page for you to edit, ask a friend to copy paste your edit in, use an alt to make the page. The options are readily available. You would never know it happened. Maybe having people go this route would be better after all, at least then the illusion of the ideal editor remains alive.

Instead of going so hard on COI, focus on ensuring community content submitted follows all proper content guidelines: NPOV, Manual of Style, Notability. That way, you cannot just sidestep some COI gate. Regulating COI, like with the recently added "Biased" noticebox is a good way to signal, that there is no need to cheat the system. It also encourages people to share more. This also means, that the wiki can be more transparent, highlighting that the primary source is the only source and more input is needed. Finally this kind of regulation would make anyone sidestepping COI just to avoid a noticebox look silly to the public. A true transparent approach.

Following this I don't think it is feasible to use this wiki as advertising, with the aforementioned content guidelines in play. Although 1 page out of hundreds still has some impact on how much it is seen I guess. Talking about advertising, having a stringent COI would just mean the top 0.1% most visited worlds benefit here, since those would be the ones most likely to have pages in some form anyway.

VRC Staff has also signaled 2 months ago in our maintainer check-in meeting, that they have no problem with a primary source contributing on the Community side of the wiki, to help expand the wiki. I can see why, given their overall plans for this wiki project mid-term. And of course, since no one owns the page, anyone may edit on it as per usual.

I have also previously shared extensive thoughts on the COI draft [[User_talk:Usr_681ab43c-99d7-4e40-92ba-956d9d8d66e7/sandbox|here]] a while back. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 01:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

:::''"The primary source not being able to straight up make a page in the Community: namespace and not being able to edit on it goes against one of the core principles of VRChat. VRChat is driven by user generated content and often the only ones able to talk about this sort of content are the ones who made it."''
:This is a ''wiki documenting VRChat'' '''not''' ''VRChat itself''. This is an important distinction to make.
:We create articles regarding VRChat's aspects as a platform from an informative and (as much as we can) unbiased perspective. World creators making pages for their own world is directly in violation of bias and puts scrutiny on what can and cannot be trusted on the wiki. Should Wikipedia also allow creators to go willy-nilly creating pages for their own work because in the real world, someone who creates something might be the only one able to make an article about it?
:Worlds as a whole were never supposed to be part of the wiki in the first place. Still, it was decided to be included to recognize culturally relevant worlds, the scope of what is considered "culturally relevant" is difficult to pinpoint directly without it being on a case-by-case basis. However, '''''not every world is notable, and not every world needs a page.''''' We should know this already given other community-based VRChat wiki attempts, it often bloats up the categories list with pages that end up being 1-2 paragraphs long, only explaining what's in the world, and that's it.
:To put it simply, allowing creators to create pages for their own worlds would likely result in many non-notable, redundant, or low-quality pages, leading to unnecessary bloating. This would dilute the wiki's overall quality and would make it more difficult to find relevant information for readers. We should be striving to prioritize content that is culturally or significantly relevant instead of catering to every single creator. ''Quality over quantity.''
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:::''"It also encourages people to share more."''
:Again, while sharing your creations is an important aspect of VRChat, the wiki is ''about'' VRChat, not VRChat itself. People who are not familiar with VRChat will be reading these pages on notable worlds to learn more about them. '''''We are not a repository for sharing and indexing worlds.'''''
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:::''"Further, a stringent COI policy wont stop anyone somewhat dedicated enough from making the article anyway."''
:Suggesting that people will simply bypass and find loopholes in policies does ''NOT'' justify making them less stringent. Policy is not about rules or magically stopping every case scenario, but defining '''''ethical editing boundaries.'''''
: 
:::''"Following this I don't think it is feasible to use this wiki as advertising, with the aforementioned content guidelines in play. Although 1 page out of hundreds still has some impact on how much it is seen I guess."''
:Even if only one page in hundreds of pages could be considered advertising, it sets a precedent. '''Wikis should not act as promotional tools for individual creators,''' they are meant to be an ''informative resource.'' If any creator is allowed to create a page for their worlds, it becomes difficult to draw a line between valuable and informative contributions and self-promotion.
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:'''''To restate:''''' We are a wiki providing ''informative'' resources ''about'' VRChat. Not an index for worlds, not a tool for creators to get their content out there, but to provide informative information regarding VRChat and relevant creations inside VRChat. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

::Notability guidelines are already in place for both Avatars and Worlds, which do apply of course. I just dont see how we are supposed to document community content on vrchat, by leaving out one of the best and most passionate source for it. Not to mention who else would write about it. Of course you can say that "well it just is not worth writing about", but going by that logic I wonder, how it is that we barely get any world pages made as is.

::Excluding the 1/3 or so of all world pages I authored, that I could meaningfully contribute to and finished up as best as I could, we got:
::* 4 fully featured and finished pages where the creator or those adjacent took part in
::* 8 (actual) stubs. Made by other editors, mostly maintainers. actual stubs as in ones that are not just nearly finished.
::* 6 game world pages, which mostly focus on the gameplay elements, these are the most comprehensive ones so far.
::* The remaining 4 or 5 worlds are very popular worlds in the top 0.1%
::So despite this wiki being open and announced for a while now it seems there are not that many people to have something to say about Worlds. Yet given how nearly all of the top 0.1% of worlds have not even gotten a page, one should assume we would find someone other than those involved with it to write about them. Or maybe, I guess we just dont need World and Avatar pages after all.
::I am not to say that we have to accommodate creators coming in sharing information about their worlds, but it would most certainly benefit the wiki, if they can abide by the content guidelines. All I want is to provide a way for everyone to contribute, so the community namespace can properly consolidate information that is currently scattered all over the place.
::I would also like to add, that I do think the Community: Namespace is a repository for information of sorts, by the community. This includes worlds, that is if they have more value added than what is in their world description in VRC that is.
::The reason i brought up the classic "ask a friend to paste in my edit" thing is just to outline that this is a real scenario that can and likely already played out on here. It is a reality that simply cannot be moderated or policed away and that we are better off regulating it in a way, where it is visible to the public if only 1 person took part in the page. I guess you could even filter out such pages from the category pages while it has such a noticebox, should that being there count as "advertising". We would also be rewarding people who like to go against the guidelines, if we start blocking good faith edits of the primary source. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 21:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Did you read my reply fully? I responded to various points you made regarding all these issues. Why are you repeating the same thing without anything new or addressing the statements made? [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 22:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I dont believe I repeated myself, but I can see that the way I wrote my reply it may not have looked like a reply to the new points you have brought up in your reply. I have reformatted some key points you made along with quotes from my reply to it, so that it is easier to correlate what i replied to where. And also to be able to better compare it to my initial reply to this topic. If something still feels off, please let me know though.
:::::::"This is a wiki documenting VRChat not VRChat itself. This is an important distinction to make."
:::::::"We should know this already given other community-based VRChat wiki attempts, it often bloats up the categories list with pages that end up being 1-2 paragraphs long, only explaining what's in the world, and that's it."
::::I stated in the first 2 paragraphs, that documenting is not playing out as planned. I also expressed my opionion that counters yours, that I do indeed believe "(...)the Community: Namespace is a repository for information of sorts, by the community" and that the "(...)community namespace can properly consolidate information that is currently scattered all over the place.". Further in regards to empty pages being made, I do believe that if that more quality ocntributions "(...) would most certainly benefit the wiki, if they can abide by the content guidelines."
:::::::"However, not every world is notable, and not every world needs a page"
::::I stated in my reply: "Notability guidelines are already in place for both Avatars and Worlds, which do apply of course."
:::::::"Suggesting that people will simply bypass and find loopholes in policies does NOT justify making them less stringent."
::::I stated in my reply on the last paragraph, that i wanted to "(...)outline that this is a real scenario that can and likely already played out on here. It is a reality that simply cannot be moderated or policed away." Not to disagree with your sentiment, but so reality is taken into account.
:::::::"Wikis should not act as promotional tools for individual creators, they are meant to be an informative resource."
::::I suggested: "...we are better off regulating it in a way, where it is visible to the public if only 1 person took part in the page. I guess you could even filter out such pages from the category pages while it has such a noticebox". In my initial reply I also said: "Regulating COI, like with the recently added "Biased" noticebox is a good way to signal, that there is no need to cheat the system"
::::Overall my believe is also that the content added should be informative/neutral and that this can be accomplished when the "(...)focus (is) on ensuring community content submitted follows all proper content guidelines: NPOV, Manual of Style, Notability."
::::I hope this makes my reply more clear as to where i specifically replied to the points you made. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 22:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::Just want to echo some sentiments expressed here.
:::::- We shouldn't be punishing and/or restricting some of the most knowledgeable and passionate sources of information
:::::- No matter what you do, there MAY be some small amount of people who will advertise/self-promote. You can try and write overly complex policies that as a practical matter - nobody's ever going to read (I want to contribute knowledge not read pages and pages of guidelines - keep it simple !!) OR you can write a very simple and clear policy that just states "don't self promote". Just write a policy that addresses the actual issue.
:::::These policies aren't really pro-active, in an everyday sense they are usually reactive. It's something to point to when a page is removed or moderated or whatever. So rather than say "oh this person kinda knows that guy who worked on the world and it crossed this complicated threshold for COI (even though the page itself is fine)" just say "we don't want self promotion". Clear, simple, concise.
:::::Just an example of the kind of approach I'd rather see. [[User:Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca|Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca]] ([[User talk:Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca|talk]]) 19:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think there's a big misunderstanding of what policies are for. As stated previously, it's not going to magically stop everyone who breaks the policy. It's to lay the groundwork for ''ethical editing.'' To consider it reactive is very reductionary and fails in understanding why we have policies in the first place, fullstop.
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::::::::"We shouldn't be punishing and/or restricting some of the most knowledgeable and passionate sources of information"
::::::The idea of this being "punishment" is an overreaction, creators would still have input regarding their own creations, however we don't want people to simply create pages willy-nilly for all their creations. That's the issue at hand here. Nobody is being punished for having the most knowledge, it's about being ethical and making sure the wiki is a place people can trust to get '''objective''' information from.
::::::Please consider the wiki's goals, it's not a place for creators, it's a place for readers to learn information about specific topics, which is what is meant by '''''Not every world needs a page.''''' Does the three-hundredth and twelve cozy world with a pool table, markers, and mirror wall ''really'' need a page? '''''Would this benefit readers?''''' Sure, I could ''theoretically'' make a page for my own world [https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_8b09cb1e-8628-4be1-81cc-0a3c6a747be0 Somewhere Here], I could talk about how my plans for it were to be a Spookality 2021 entry I never finished, the reasons why, the inspiration behind each room, the small little details behind everything. And all of that would absolutely be excellent information for an article. But... excuse my tone, why the ''hell'' would I do that? Why would I as a creator restrict myself to the wiki's style guide when... I could just as easily make a post about it on my Bsky, or Tumblr, or anywhere else where I have significantly more freedom? Then if I really wanted that to be on the wiki, I could easily just ask, "hey would someone like to make a page about this?" or in the case if already had one, just ask for the information to be added, using the post I made as a citation so people know it came from me.
::::::This feels like such a nothing-burger to argue for. ''in my opinion'', there is no real reason for a world creator to create a page for their own creation. Unless they're seeking to advertise it through the wiki. Or use it as trophy points to say: "Hey look my creation is on the ''official'' wiki!" Because every point I've seen in this thread so far against COI, hasn't been very convincing, or by those who have violated COI previously and would benefit from it's removal/reduction, which would ironically be a direct COI in itself if you want to be meta about this. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I will stick to the quoting style to avoid confusion.
::::::::::"however we don't want people to simply create pages willy-nilly for all their creations"
::::::::::"Not every world needs a page"
::::::::::"Would this benefit readers?"
:::::::I dont know if everyone thinks that, but I do agree with you here, not every world necessarily needs a page. There should be value added when making one. To make a page of mirror world #100 that has just used existing assets seems pointless. However as soon as something unique was added, that could be described and be informative for the reader.
::::::::::"Sure, I could theoretically make a page for my own world"
::::::::::"But... excuse my tone, why the hell would I do that?"
:::::::So that when someone visits your world and would like to read up more about it, they can do so and learn a bit more about its design decisions, technicals and such. How often have you been to a world, where you were wondering how something specific was done. Think "what shader did they use?" "what did they use to do this udon thing?" "how was it optimized even though it uses real time light". I did and I sometimes even ask the creator for such specifics, but it would be much better to have on the wiki (and/or somewhere in the world in the first place...)
:::::::And to continue:
::::::::::" I could just as easily make a post about it on my Bsky, or Tumblr, or anywhere else"
:::::::That is kind of how it is right now, all these small parts of information are scattered all over the web on different places. There is no place where you find proper consolidation of information regarding VRChat, its always a jungle of githubs, discords, twitters, videos, other websites and so on to go through to.
:::::::The Community: Namespace is also supposed to help consolidate all this information, which is why it is a bit more loose to begin with. And while I hope guides and such get ported over to the wiki, even having lists like [https://github.com/madjin/awesome-vrchat Jin's] would help in this endeavor. The Worlds and Avatars are just the cherry on top.
:::::::Regarding your point on someone having a COI in the COI discussion, then you could also argue that anyone who is for a strict COI and has a very popular world, has a COI too. Since they can utilize their community, just as you described, to make the page instead. While others cannot, which assuming the wiki is meant for advertising means they would have less worlds clogging up their "adspace". I know this paragraph is very much hyperbole, but just to counter that all is relative.
:::::::Where you see "no real reason for a world creator to create a page for their own creation" I see plenty. Of course all this is given, that the world/avatar creator actually wants to go through the process of making a proper page to begin with. We should just ensure, that they can in some form. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 21:01,
24 September 2026 (UTC)

== Why was the COI Policy changed without a prior draft? ==

I understand we had plenty of discussion regarding the COI policy, however just now the policy was changed without a draft for it being discussed beforehand.

Given this is such a big policy change I question who agreed to this change. Because I do not agree, as you can read why on the other thread titled "The current COI policy is not very interpretable" here.

A voice meeting, that not every maintainer can participate in does not constitute to a consensus and this COI policy remains flawed for the Community Namespace. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 20:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:I agree to the new policy. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:I agree to the new policy, albeit with much rewording and proofreading. [[User:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2|Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2]] ([[User talk:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2|talk]]) 20:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::This, it accurately explains the COI as it has been enforced the past few months. Makes it clear to users what is and isn't COI, and explains why what is and isn't allowed.
::All it needs really is extra proofreading and editing to make it more wiki-like in tone. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

== Community Policy Review and update ==

This new discussion will be for a review of the community and potetional improvements, I create this discussion to inform others I will be reviewing and writting a discussion for those to involve themselfs once I have suggested my review/improvements and we can work together to effectivly come to a soild COI policy

please give me a day or 2, this is alot of reading. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 21:04, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

:I've had around a month to think and propous newer ideas or thoughts explicitly towards community, As it turns out the simplest answer is offen the easiest to explain.
:In my view for the longevity of the wiki, I belive its best to '''Completly remove CoI''' aslong as all users '''respect the guidelines''' and keeps the neutral point of view towards the page.
:The point of conflict of intrest is to de-attach creators from their projects, When a page is created they should be '''naturally following an informative manor to write the page in neutrality''', Which makes the conflict of intrest policy '''nulled''' as they are not writting for themselfs, '''They write for everyone else reading.'''
:I belive the wiki maintainers have enough authority and observation to watch pages that are created or modified to notice this, CoI is slowly self-destructing the wiki preventing from genuine creative content being place into the wiki.
:Take the example of this change "18-09-2025 - 00:25 DAG-XR deleted page Community:Project Aincrad" It was removed for CoI violation yet the page was there for '''over 3 months''' giving the public a way to see a cool world within vrchat, '''The page itself was high quaility''', Its '''Very likly''' the maintainer(s) ''''''stalked'''''' the user to determine who created the page to futher push an unfair deletion thanks to this unfair CoI policy.
:My personal view on this CoI Problem which has clearly persisted over sevreal talk pages and months:
:Its been talked over '''sevreal times''' how the CoI is destroying the wiki, yet the maintainers persist that it stays, Why are the maintainers the only voice who wishes this to stay and it does? It seems like a personal tactic to keep the wiki under their authority making themselfs to have and Keep all edits under their own name and have nobody elses involvment yet this is supposit to be a '''project involving the public of VRChat players''', Yet its constantly shut down by maintainers telling everyone they are wrong because they are higher then others in the matter, persistence in their actions being morally correct because They want this space, not the public [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 20:33, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::I'd also Love to note, The page that was deleted was served a delete notice, According to the policy tupper suggested to implement was given ONE WEEK before deletion would occur, The page was deleted TWO DAYS after the notice, which is not only unfair, it doesn't even give the original creator or Anyone else the chance to edit the page.
::I myself saw this notice and was going to go out of my way and update that page myself, But the maintainers striked it away before even giving it a chance.
::Please restore that page so I can atleast rewrite it myself. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 20:49, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Chloe, I appreciate the time and energy you’ve put into sharing your perspective on the COI policy. It’s clear you care about the wiki and its future.
:::That said, I need to be very direct here: the Conflict of Interest policy is staying. The Wiki Organizers and Maintainers have been given both the mission and the authority by VRChat to guide the wiki, set policy, and enforce it. While policies can evolve, removing or radically changing COI would require broad agreement across all three Organizers, more than a dozen Maintainers, and the VRChat team itself. That level of consensus is extraordinarily difficult to achieve, and it’s not something we see happening.
:::What concerns me most is not disagreement over policy, but the repeated accusations and hostility toward maintainers. These are volunteers putting in their time to keep the project healthy. Accusing them of bad faith or harassment crosses the line. This is not productive, and it undermines the respectful environment we expect in all wiki discussions.
:::With kindness but firmness, consider this your last reminder:
:::* The COI policy will remain in place, with possible refinements happening only through constructive discussion.
:::* Authority over how the wiki is run lies with the Organizers and Maintainers, with oversight from VRChat staff.
:::* Continued personal attacks or disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
:::You’re welcome to keep contributing to policy discussions if you keep it respectful and constructive. But if the tone and accusations continue, further action ''will'' be taken.
:::The wiki is here to serve the VRChat community, and that requires structure, civility, and respect for the people who maintain it. Please take this seriously. [[User:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469|Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469]] ([[User talk:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::::ugh, wrong account, but yes, this is me [[User:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344|Tupper - VRC Team]] ([[User talk:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::::I admit to strong hostilitys, I just find it really difficult to under this level of aggravated moderation, I understand the CoI's policys point and its guide towards the wiki, For example that page being deleted didn't even get over 48 hours before it was deleted, I geuninly wanted to re-write it to keep it here, Seeing you state a 1 week policy was suggested (No clue if it was or not as there was no statement for it) and it being deleted in 2 days makes it very hard for me to belive talking even here would lead to any change at all.
::::It has to be clear though all the previous talk pages that something is wrong when muilple wiki contributiors are making bad notice of the CoI over seperate talk pages (Under this active talk page), including changes without notice to the policys, Its missing core involvment, A grand way to change or modify the CoI Is have a simple plan of how action should be taken with fair and balanced time gaps, For example [[:File:Contrib-Pipeline.png|Here is a suggested plan of how things could go]] (Image example of a pipeline).
::::This gives lots of breathing room for the creator to beable to create their own content and have observations/edits done if need be for that creator without the heavy restriction CoI imposes, While CoI will still exisit, it gives that breathing room desired.
::::While I suggest this plan, I hope its really taken into heavy consideration as I belive its a very effective methored of allowing creators to design pages without self-infliction. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 07:48, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

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VRCWiki talk:Conflicts of interest

2026-09-24T05:11:35Z

Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3: /* The current COI policy is not very interpretable */

== The current COI policy is not very interpretable ==

I have a concern with the current state of the conflicts of interest policy. The documentation on this policy is both lenient and vague, and I feel like this policy needs to be ''VRChat-ified'' and also give examples and what may or may not qualify as a conflict.

For instance:

# "family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships" should remain in the article, but we could also make room to make it more relatable, and pertinent to VRChat. Maybe instead change this to: ''"VRChat friends, real friends, development teams that you hold a relationship with; clients, employers, among financial and other relationships"''
# "Some VRChat users may be the only source of information for worlds, avatars, and tools. It is acceptable for those users to contribute this information." opens up a gate for content creators to unconditionally work on their own article. I feel like there should be some, but limited exception to this rule, and would rather have to status quo be something similar to: ''"If there is uncertainty of information, the presence of misinformation, or misrepresentation contained within in article, the primary source may need to be queried for guidance by an editor."'' rather than personally allowing a COI to occur.
# Creation of an article, made directly by the world or avatar's author (or team) should '''never be allowed''', and this would break the ''"Avoid advertising and use neutral language to maintain a neutral point of view (NPOV)."'' statement within the policy. Creation of an article is giving the content a platform to promote itself, and writing NPOV as the primary source will almost always be impossible; this will be biased.
# We should also be linking 'good faith', 'be bold' and 'neutral point of view' policies; I recently added a COI Noticebox, and "See also" heading to this article recently. Let's proofread that too.

Thanks! [[User:Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0|Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0]] ([[User talk:Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0|talk]]) 00:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

:I think what's most problematic here is that its a direct copy of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|Wikipedia's COI]] page. This should've been changed much earlier to apply to VRCWiki better. Other policies also need significant updates as well for similar reasons I'm noticing. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 00:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

The primary source not being able to straight up make a page in the Community: namespace and not being able to edit on it goes against one of the core principles of VRChat. VRChat is driven by user generated content and often the only ones able to talk about this sort of content are the ones who made it.

This applies to any community content, however for worlds and avatars specifically you may only be able to have surface level pages made for the top 0.1% most visited worlds + some stragglers edited from others unaffiliated. We would simply lose out on a lot of valuble contributions, if we put a roadblock for people to share their knowledge here.

I also dislike that having to go through a talk page would mean to be at the mercy of someone else. This would just mean that a few select who would bother to write up the page based on talk page input, have control of what gets added by selecting such requests or ignoring it. I would much rather someone passionate enough to engage with the wiki directly.

Further, a stringent COI policy wont stop anyone somewhat dedicated enough from making the article anyway. Ask a friend to make a barebones page for you to edit, ask a friend to copy paste your edit in, use an alt to make the page. The options are readily available. You would never know it happened. Maybe having people go this route would be better after all, at least then the illusion of the ideal editor remains alive.

Instead of going so hard on COI, focus on ensuring community content submitted follows all proper content guidelines: NPOV, Manual of Style, Notability. That way, you cannot just sidestep some COI gate. Regulating COI, like with the recently added "Biased" noticebox is a good way to signal, that there is no need to cheat the system. It also encourages people to share more. This also means, that the wiki can be more transparent, highlighting that the primary source is the only source and more input is needed. Finally this kind of regulation would make anyone sidestepping COI just to avoid a noticebox look silly to the public. A true transparent approach.

Following this I don't think it is feasible to use this wiki as advertising, with the aforementioned content guidelines in play. Although 1 page out of hundreds still has some impact on how much it is seen I guess. Talking about advertising, having a stringent COI would just mean the top 0.1% most visited worlds benefit here, since those would be the ones most likely to have pages in some form anyway.

VRC Staff has also signaled 2 months ago in our maintainer check-in meeting, that they have no problem with a primary source contributing on the Community side of the wiki, to help expand the wiki. I can see why, given their overall plans for this wiki project mid-term. And of course, since no one owns the page, anyone may edit on it as per usual.

I have also previously shared extensive thoughts on the COI draft [[User_talk:Usr_681ab43c-99d7-4e40-92ba-956d9d8d66e7/sandbox|here]] a while back. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 01:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

:::''"The primary source not being able to straight up make a page in the Community: namespace and not being able to edit on it goes against one of the core principles of VRChat. VRChat is driven by user generated content and often the only ones able to talk about this sort of content are the ones who made it."''
:This is a ''wiki documenting VRChat'' '''not''' ''VRChat itself''. This is an important distinction to make.
:We create articles regarding VRChat's aspects as a platform from an informative and (as much as we can) unbiased perspective. World creators making pages for their own world is directly in violation of bias and puts scrutiny on what can and cannot be trusted on the wiki. Should Wikipedia also allow creators to go willy-nilly creating pages for their own work because in the real world, someone who creates something might be the only one able to make an article about it?
:Worlds as a whole were never supposed to be part of the wiki in the first place. Still, it was decided to be included to recognize culturally relevant worlds, the scope of what is considered "culturally relevant" is difficult to pinpoint directly without it being on a case-by-case basis. However, '''''not every world is notable, and not every world needs a page.''''' We should know this already given other community-based VRChat wiki attempts, it often bloats up the categories list with pages that end up being 1-2 paragraphs long, only explaining what's in the world, and that's it.
:To put it simply, allowing creators to create pages for their own worlds would likely result in many non-notable, redundant, or low-quality pages, leading to unnecessary bloating. This would dilute the wiki's overall quality and would make it more difficult to find relevant information for readers. We should be striving to prioritize content that is culturally or significantly relevant instead of catering to every single creator. ''Quality over quantity.''
: 
:::''"It also encourages people to share more."''
:Again, while sharing your creations is an important aspect of VRChat, the wiki is ''about'' VRChat, not VRChat itself. People who are not familiar with VRChat will be reading these pages on notable worlds to learn more about them. '''''We are not a repository for sharing and indexing worlds.'''''
: 
:::''"Further, a stringent COI policy wont stop anyone somewhat dedicated enough from making the article anyway."''
:Suggesting that people will simply bypass and find loopholes in policies does ''NOT'' justify making them less stringent. Policy is not about rules or magically stopping every case scenario, but defining '''''ethical editing boundaries.'''''
: 
:::''"Following this I don't think it is feasible to use this wiki as advertising, with the aforementioned content guidelines in play. Although 1 page out of hundreds still has some impact on how much it is seen I guess."''
:Even if only one page in hundreds of pages could be considered advertising, it sets a precedent. '''Wikis should not act as promotional tools for individual creators,''' they are meant to be an ''informative resource.'' If any creator is allowed to create a page for their worlds, it becomes difficult to draw a line between valuable and informative contributions and self-promotion.
: 
:'''''To restate:''''' We are a wiki providing ''informative'' resources ''about'' VRChat. Not an index for worlds, not a tool for creators to get their content out there, but to provide informative information regarding VRChat and relevant creations inside VRChat. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

::Notability guidelines are already in place for both Avatars and Worlds, which do apply of course. I just dont see how we are supposed to document community content on vrchat, by leaving out one of the best and most passionate source for it. Not to mention who else would write about it. Of course you can say that "well it just is not worth writing about", but going by that logic I wonder, how it is that we barely get any world pages made as is.

::Excluding the 1/3 or so of all world pages I authored, that I could meaningfully contribute to and finished up as best as I could, we got:
::* 4 fully featured and finished pages where the creator or those adjacent took part in
::* 8 (actual) stubs. Made by other editors, mostly maintainers. actual stubs as in ones that are not just nearly finished.
::* 6 game world pages, which mostly focus on the gameplay elements, these are the most comprehensive ones so far.
::* The remaining 4 or 5 worlds are very popular worlds in the top 0.1%
::So despite this wiki being open and announced for a while now it seems there are not that many people to have something to say about Worlds. Yet given how nearly all of the top 0.1% of worlds have not even gotten a page, one should assume we would find someone other than those involved with it to write about them. Or maybe, I guess we just dont need World and Avatar pages after all.
::I am not to say that we have to accommodate creators coming in sharing information about their worlds, but it would most certainly benefit the wiki, if they can abide by the content guidelines. All I want is to provide a way for everyone to contribute, so the community namespace can properly consolidate information that is currently scattered all over the place.
::I would also like to add, that I do think the Community: Namespace is a repository for information of sorts, by the community. This includes worlds, that is if they have more value added than what is in their world description in VRC that is.
::The reason i brought up the classic "ask a friend to paste in my edit" thing is just to outline that this is a real scenario that can and likely already played out on here. It is a reality that simply cannot be moderated or policed away and that we are better off regulating it in a way, where it is visible to the public if only 1 person took part in the page. I guess you could even filter out such pages from the category pages while it has such a noticebox, should that being there count as "advertising". We would also be rewarding people who like to go against the guidelines, if we start blocking good faith edits of the primary source. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 21:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Did you read my reply fully? I responded to various points you made regarding all these issues. Why are you repeating the same thing without anything new or addressing the statements made? [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 22:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I dont believe I repeated myself, but I can see that the way I wrote my reply it may not have looked like a reply to the new points you have brought up in your reply. I have reformatted some key points you made along with quotes from my reply to it, so that it is easier to correlate what i replied to where. And also to be able to better compare it to my initial reply to this topic. If something still feels off, please let me know though.
:::::::"This is a wiki documenting VRChat not VRChat itself. This is an important distinction to make."
:::::::"We should know this already given other community-based VRChat wiki attempts, it often bloats up the categories list with pages that end up being 1-2 paragraphs long, only explaining what's in the world, and that's it."
::::I stated in the first 2 paragraphs, that documenting is not playing out as planned. I also expressed my opionion that counters yours, that I do indeed believe "(...)the Community: Namespace is a repository for information of sorts, by the community" and that the "(...)community namespace can properly consolidate information that is currently scattered all over the place.". Further in regards to empty pages being made, I do believe that if that more quality ocntributions "(...) would most certainly benefit the wiki, if they can abide by the content guidelines."
:::::::"However, not every world is notable, and not every world needs a page"
::::I stated in my reply: "Notability guidelines are already in place for both Avatars and Worlds, which do apply of course."
:::::::"Suggesting that people will simply bypass and find loopholes in policies does NOT justify making them less stringent."
::::I stated in my reply on the last paragraph, that i wanted to "(...)outline that this is a real scenario that can and likely already played out on here. It is a reality that simply cannot be moderated or policed away." Not to disagree with your sentiment, but so reality is taken into account.
:::::::"Wikis should not act as promotional tools for individual creators, they are meant to be an informative resource."
::::I suggested: "...we are better off regulating it in a way, where it is visible to the public if only 1 person took part in the page. I guess you could even filter out such pages from the category pages while it has such a noticebox". In my initial reply I also said: "Regulating COI, like with the recently added "Biased" noticebox is a good way to signal, that there is no need to cheat the system"
::::Overall my believe is also that the content added should be informative/neutral and that this can be accomplished when the "(...)focus (is) on ensuring community content submitted follows all proper content guidelines: NPOV, Manual of Style, Notability."
::::I hope this makes my reply more clear as to where i specifically replied to the points you made. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 22:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::Just want to echo some sentiments expressed here.
:::::- We shouldn't be punishing and/or restricting some of the most knowledgeable and passionate sources of information
:::::- No matter what you do, there MAY be some small amount of people who will advertise/self-promote. You can try and write overly complex policies that as a practical matter - nobody's ever going to read (I want to contribute knowledge not read pages and pages of guidelines - keep it simple !!) OR you can write a very simple and clear policy that just states "don't self promote". Just write a policy that addresses the actual issue.
:::::These policies aren't really pro-active, in an everyday sense they are usually reactive. It's something to point to when a page is removed or moderated or whatever. So rather than say "oh this person kinda knows that guy who worked on the world and it crossed this complicated threshold for COI (even though the page itself is fine)" just say "we don't want self promotion". Clear, simple, concise.
:::::Just an example of the kind of approach I'd rather see. [[User:Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca|Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca]] ([[User talk:Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca|talk]]) 19:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think there's a big misunderstanding of what policies are for. As stated previously, it's not going to magically stop everyone who breaks the policy. It's to lay the groundwork for ''ethical editing.'' To consider it reactive is very reductionary and fails in understanding why we have policies in the first place, fullstop.
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::::::::"We shouldn't be punishing and/or restricting some of the most knowledgeable and passionate sources of information"
::::::The idea of this being "punishment" is an overreaction, creators would still have input regarding their own creations, however we don't want people to simply create pages willy-nilly for all their creations. That's the issue at hand here. Nobody is being punished for having the most knowledge, it's about being ethical and making sure the wiki is a place people can trust to get '''objective''' information from.
::::::Please consider the wiki's goals, it's not a place for creators, it's a place for readers to learn information about specific topics, which is what is meant by '''''Not every world needs a page.''''' Does the three-hundredth and twelve cozy world with a pool table, markers, and mirror wall ''really'' need a page? '''''Would this benefit readers?''''' Sure, I could ''theoretically'' make a page for my own world [https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_8b09cb1e-8628-4be1-81cc-0a3c6a747be0 Somewhere Here], I could talk about how my plans for it were to be a Spookality 2021 entry I never finished, the reasons why, the inspiration behind each room, the small little details behind everything. And all of that would absolutely be excellent information for an article. But... excuse my tone, why the ''hell'' would I do that? Why would I as a creator restrict myself to the wiki's style guide when... I could just as easily make a post about it on my Bsky, or Tumblr, or anywhere else where I have significantly more freedom? Then if I really wanted that to be on the wiki, I could easily just ask, "hey would someone like to make a page about this?" or in the case if already had one, just ask for the information to be added, using the post I made as a citation so people know it came from me.
::::::This feels like such a nothing-burger to argue for. ''in my opinion'', there is no real reason for a world creator to create a page for their own creation. Unless they're seeking to advertise it through the wiki. Or use it as trophy points to say: "Hey look my creation is on the ''official'' wiki!" Because every point I've seen in this thread so far against COI, hasn't been very convincing, or by those who have violated COI previously and would benefit from it's removal/reduction, which would ironically be a direct COI in itself if you want to be meta about this. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I will stick to the quoting style to avoid confusion.
::::::::::"however we don't want people to simply create pages willy-nilly for all their creations"
::::::::::"Not every world needs a page"
::::::::::"Would this benefit readers?"
:::::::I dont know if everyone thinks that, but I do agree with you here, not every world necessarily needs a page. There should be value added when making one. To make a page of mirror world #100 that has just used existing assets seems pointless. However as soon as something unique was added, that could be described and be informative for the reader.
::::::::::"Sure, I could theoretically make a page for my own world"
::::::::::"But... excuse my tone, why the hell would I do that?"
:::::::So that when someone visits your world and would like to read up more about it, they can do so and learn a bit more about its design decisions, technicals and such. How often have you been to a world, where you were wondering how something specific was done. Think "what shader did they use?" "what did they use to do this udon thing?" "how was it optimized even though it uses real time light". I did and I sometimes even ask the creator for such specifics, but it would be much better to have on the wiki (and/or somewhere in the world in the first place...)
:::::::And to continue:
::::::::::" I could just as easily make a post about it on my Bsky, or Tumblr, or anywhere else"
:::::::That is kind of how it is right now, all these small parts of information are scattered all over the web on different places. There is no place where you find proper consolidation of information regarding VRChat, its always a jungle of githubs, discords, twitters, videos, other websites and so on to go through to.
:::::::The Community: Namespace is also supposed to help consolidate all this information, which is why it is a bit more loose to begin with. And while I hope guides and such get ported over to the wiki, even having lists like [https://github.com/madjin/awesome-vrchat Jin's] would help in this endeavor. The Worlds and Avatars are just the cherry on top.
:::::::Regarding your point on someone having a COI in the COI discussion, then you could also argue that anyone who is for a strict COI and has a very popular world, has a COI too. Since they can utilize their community, just as you described, to make the page instead. While others cannot, which assuming the wiki is meant for advertising means they would have less worlds clogging up their "adspace". I know this paragraph is very much hyperbole, but just to counter that all is relative.
:::::::Where you see "no real reason for a world creator to create a page for their own creation" I see plenty. Of course all this is given, that the world/avatar creator actually wants to go through the process of making a proper page to begin with. We should just ensure, that they can in some form. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 21:01,
24 September 2026 (UTC)

== Why was the COI Policy changed without a prior draft? ==

I understand we had plenty of discussion regarding the COI policy, however just now the policy was changed without a draft for it being discussed beforehand.

Given this is such a big policy change I question who agreed to this change. Because I do not agree, as you can read why on the other thread titled "The current COI policy is not very interpretable" here.

A voice meeting, that not every maintainer can participate in does not constitute to a consensus and this COI policy remains flawed for the Community Namespace. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 20:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:I agree to the new policy. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:I agree to the new policy, albeit with much rewording and proofreading. [[User:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2|Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2]] ([[User talk:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2|talk]]) 20:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::This, it accurately explains the COI as it has been enforced the past few months. Makes it clear to users what is and isn't COI, and explains why what is and isn't allowed.
::All it needs really is extra proofreading and editing to make it more wiki-like in tone. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

== COI Policy Review and update ==

This new discussion will be for a review of the COI and potetional improvements, I create this discussion to inform others I will be reviewing and writting a discussion for those to involve themselfs once I have suggested my review/improvements and we can work together to effectivly come to a soild COI policy

please give me a day or 2, this is alot of reading. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 21:04, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

:I've had around a month to think and propous newer ideas or thoughts explicitly towards CoI, As it turns out the simplest answer is offen the easiest to explain.
:In my view for the longevity of the wiki, I belive its best to '''Completly remove CoI''' aslong as all users '''respect the guidelines''' and keeps the neutral point of view towards the page.
:The point of conflict of intrest is to de-attach creators from their projects, When a page is created they should be '''naturally following an informative manor to write the page in neutrality''', Which makes the conflict of intrest policy '''nulled''' as they are not writting for themselfs, '''They write for everyone else reading.'''
:I belive the wiki maintainers have enough authority and observation to watch pages that are created or modified to notice this, CoI is slowly self-destructing the wiki preventing from genuine creative content being place into the wiki.
:Take the example of this change "18-09-2025 - 00:25 DAG-XR deleted page Community:Project Aincrad" It was removed for CoI violation yet the page was there for '''over 3 months''' giving the public a way to see a cool world within vrchat, '''The page itself was high quaility''', Its '''Very likly''' the maintainer(s) ''''''stalked'''''' the user to determine who created the page to futher push an unfair deletion thanks to this unfair CoI policy.
:My personal view on this CoI Problem which has clearly persisted over sevreal talk pages and months:
:Its been talked over '''sevreal times''' how the CoI is destroying the wiki, yet the maintainers persist that it stays, Why are the maintainers the only voice who wishes this to stay and it does? It seems like a personal tactic to keep the wiki under their authority making themselfs to have and Keep all edits under their own name and have nobody elses involvment yet this is supposit to be a '''project involving the public of VRChat players''', Yet its constantly shut down by maintainers telling everyone they are wrong because they are higher then others in the matter, persistence in their actions being morally correct because They want this space, not the public [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 20:33, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::I'd also Love to note, The page that was deleted was served a delete notice, According to the policy tupper suggested to implement was given ONE WEEK before deletion would occur, The page was deleted TWO DAYS after the notice, which is not only unfair, it doesn't even give the original creator or Anyone else the chance to edit the page.
::I myself saw this notice and was going to go out of my way and update that page myself, But the maintainers striked it away before even giving it a chance.
::Please restore that page so I can atleast rewrite it myself. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 20:49, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Chloe, I appreciate the time and energy you’ve put into sharing your perspective on the COI policy. It’s clear you care about the wiki and its future.
:::That said, I need to be very direct here: the Conflict of Interest policy is staying. The Wiki Organizers and Maintainers have been given both the mission and the authority by VRChat to guide the wiki, set policy, and enforce it. While policies can evolve, removing or radically changing COI would require broad agreement across all three Organizers, more than a dozen Maintainers, and the VRChat team itself. That level of consensus is extraordinarily difficult to achieve, and it’s not something we see happening.
:::What concerns me most is not disagreement over policy, but the repeated accusations and hostility toward maintainers. These are volunteers putting in their time to keep the project healthy. Accusing them of bad faith or harassment crosses the line. This is not productive, and it undermines the respectful environment we expect in all wiki discussions.
:::With kindness but firmness, consider this your last reminder:
:::* The COI policy will remain in place, with possible refinements happening only through constructive discussion.
:::* Authority over how the wiki is run lies with the Organizers and Maintainers, with oversight from VRChat staff.
:::* Continued personal attacks or disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
:::You’re welcome to keep contributing to policy discussions if you keep it respectful and constructive. But if the tone and accusations continue, further action ''will'' be taken.
:::The wiki is here to serve the VRChat community, and that requires structure, civility, and respect for the people who maintain it. Please take this seriously. [[User:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469|Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469]] ([[User talk:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::::ugh, wrong account, but yes, this is me [[User:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344|Tupper - VRC Team]] ([[User talk:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::::I admit to strong hostilitys, I just find it really difficult to under this level of aggravated moderation, I understand the CoI's policys point and its guide towards the wiki, For example that page being deleted didn't even get over 48 hours before it was deleted, I geuninly wanted to re-write it to keep it here, Seeing you state a 1 week policy was suggested (No clue if it was or not as there was no statement for it) and it being deleted in 2 days makes it very hard for me to belive talking even here would lead to any change at all.
::::It has to be clear though all the previous talk pages that something is wrong when muilple wiki contributiors are making bad notice of the CoI over seperate talk pages (Under this active talk page), including changes without notice to the policys, Its missing core involvment, A grand way to change or modify the CoI Is have a simple plan of how action should be taken with fair and balanced time gaps, For example [[:File:Contrib-Pipeline.png|Here is a suggested plan of how things could go]] (Image example of a pipeline).
::::This gives lots of breathing room for the creator to beable to create their own content and have observations/edits done if need be for that creator without the heavy restriction CoI imposes, While CoI will still exisit, it gives that breathing room desired.
::::While I suggest this plan, I hope its really taken into heavy consideration as I belive its a very effective methored of allowing creators to design pages without self-infliction. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 07:48, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

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VRCWiki talk:Conflicts of interest

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== The current COI policy is not very interpretable ==

I have a concern with the current state of the conflicts of interest policy. The documentation on this policy is both lenient and vague, and I feel like this policy needs to be ''VRChat-ified'' and also give examples and what may or may not qualify as a conflict.

For instance:

# "family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships" should remain in the article, but we could also make room to make it more relatable, and pertinent to VRChat. Maybe instead change this to: ''"VRChat friends, real friends, development teams that you hold a relationship with; clients, employers, among financial and other relationships"''
# "Some VRChat users may be the only source of information for worlds, avatars, and tools. It is acceptable for those users to contribute this information." opens up a gate for content creators to unconditionally work on their own article. I feel like there should be some, but limited exception to this rule, and would rather have to status quo be something similar to: ''"If there is uncertainty of information, the presence of misinformation, or misrepresentation contained within in article, the primary source may need to be queried for guidance by an editor."'' rather than personally allowing a COI to occur.
# Creation of an article, made directly by the world or avatar's author (or team) should '''never be allowed''', and this would break the ''"Avoid advertising and use neutral language to maintain a neutral point of view (NPOV)."'' statement within the policy. Creation of an article is giving the content a platform to promote itself, and writing NPOV as the primary source will almost always be impossible; this will be biased.
# We should also be linking 'good faith', 'be bold' and 'neutral point of view' policies; I recently added a COI Noticebox, and "See also" heading to this article recently. Let's proofread that too.

Thanks! [[User:Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0|Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0]] ([[User talk:Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0|talk]]) 00:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

:I think what's most problematic here is that its a direct copy of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|Wikipedia's COI]] page. This should've been changed much earlier to apply to VRCWiki better. Other policies also need significant updates as well for similar reasons I'm noticing. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 00:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

The primary source not being able to straight up make a page in the Community: namespace and not being able to edit on it goes against one of the core principles of VRChat. VRChat is driven by user generated content and often the only ones able to talk about this sort of content are the ones who made it.

This applies to any community content, however for worlds and avatars specifically you may only be able to have surface level pages made for the top 0.1% most visited worlds + some stragglers edited from others unaffiliated. We would simply lose out on a lot of valuble contributions, if we put a roadblock for people to share their knowledge here.

I also dislike that having to go through a talk page would mean to be at the mercy of someone else. This would just mean that a few select who would bother to write up the page based on talk page input, have control of what gets added by selecting such requests or ignoring it. I would much rather someone passionate enough to engage with the wiki directly.

Further, a stringent COI policy wont stop anyone somewhat dedicated enough from making the article anyway. Ask a friend to make a barebones page for you to edit, ask a friend to copy paste your edit in, use an alt to make the page. The options are readily available. You would never know it happened. Maybe having people go this route would be better after all, at least then the illusion of the ideal editor remains alive.

Instead of going so hard on COI, focus on ensuring community content submitted follows all proper content guidelines: NPOV, Manual of Style, Notability. That way, you cannot just sidestep some COI gate. Regulating COI, like with the recently added "Biased" noticebox is a good way to signal, that there is no need to cheat the system. It also encourages people to share more. This also means, that the wiki can be more transparent, highlighting that the primary source is the only source and more input is needed. Finally this kind of regulation would make anyone sidestepping COI just to avoid a noticebox look silly to the public. A true transparent approach.

Following this I don't think it is feasible to use this wiki as advertising, with the aforementioned content guidelines in play. Although 1 page out of hundreds still has some impact on how much it is seen I guess. Talking about advertising, having a stringent COI would just mean the top 0.1% most visited worlds benefit here, since those would be the ones most likely to have pages in some form anyway.

VRC Staff has also signaled 2 months ago in our maintainer check-in meeting, that they have no problem with a primary source contributing on the Community side of the wiki, to help expand the wiki. I can see why, given their overall plans for this wiki project mid-term. And of course, since no one owns the page, anyone may edit on it as per usual.

I have also previously shared extensive thoughts on the COI draft [[User_talk:Usr_681ab43c-99d7-4e40-92ba-956d9d8d66e7/sandbox|here]] a while back. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 01:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

:::''"The primary source not being able to straight up make a page in the Community: namespace and not being able to edit on it goes against one of the core principles of VRChat. VRChat is driven by user generated content and often the only ones able to talk about this sort of content are the ones who made it."''
:This is a ''wiki documenting VRChat'' '''not''' ''VRChat itself''. This is an important distinction to make.
:We create articles regarding VRChat's aspects as a platform from an informative and (as much as we can) unbiased perspective. World creators making pages for their own world is directly in violation of bias and puts scrutiny on what can and cannot be trusted on the wiki. Should Wikipedia also allow creators to go willy-nilly creating pages for their own work because in the real world, someone who creates something might be the only one able to make an article about it?
:Worlds as a whole were never supposed to be part of the wiki in the first place. Still, it was decided to be included to recognize culturally relevant worlds, the scope of what is considered "culturally relevant" is difficult to pinpoint directly without it being on a case-by-case basis. However, '''''not every world is notable, and not every world needs a page.''''' We should know this already given other community-based VRChat wiki attempts, it often bloats up the categories list with pages that end up being 1-2 paragraphs long, only explaining what's in the world, and that's it.
:To put it simply, allowing creators to create pages for their own worlds would likely result in many non-notable, redundant, or low-quality pages, leading to unnecessary bloating. This would dilute the wiki's overall quality and would make it more difficult to find relevant information for readers. We should be striving to prioritize content that is culturally or significantly relevant instead of catering to every single creator. ''Quality over quantity.''
: 
:::''"It also encourages people to share more."''
:Again, while sharing your creations is an important aspect of VRChat, the wiki is ''about'' VRChat, not VRChat itself. People who are not familiar with VRChat will be reading these pages on notable worlds to learn more about them. '''''We are not a repository for sharing and indexing worlds.'''''
: 
:::''"Further, a stringent COI policy wont stop anyone somewhat dedicated enough from making the article anyway."''
:Suggesting that people will simply bypass and find loopholes in policies does ''NOT'' justify making them less stringent. Policy is not about rules or magically stopping every case scenario, but defining '''''ethical editing boundaries.'''''
: 
:::''"Following this I don't think it is feasible to use this wiki as advertising, with the aforementioned content guidelines in play. Although 1 page out of hundreds still has some impact on how much it is seen I guess."''
:Even if only one page in hundreds of pages could be considered advertising, it sets a precedent. '''Wikis should not act as promotional tools for individual creators,''' they are meant to be an ''informative resource.'' If any creator is allowed to create a page for their worlds, it becomes difficult to draw a line between valuable and informative contributions and self-promotion.
: 
:'''''To restate:''''' We are a wiki providing ''informative'' resources ''about'' VRChat. Not an index for worlds, not a tool for creators to get their content out there, but to provide informative information regarding VRChat and relevant creations inside VRChat. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

::Notability guidelines are already in place for both Avatars and Worlds, which do apply of course. I just dont see how we are supposed to document community content on vrchat, by leaving out one of the best and most passionate source for it. Not to mention who else would write about it. Of course you can say that "well it just is not worth writing about", but going by that logic I wonder, how it is that we barely get any world pages made as is.

::Excluding the 1/3 or so of all world pages I authored, that I could meaningfully contribute to and finished up as best as I could, we got:
::* 4 fully featured and finished pages where the creator or those adjacent took part in
::* 8 (actual) stubs. Made by other editors, mostly maintainers. actual stubs as in ones that are not just nearly finished.
::* 6 game world pages, which mostly focus on the gameplay elements, these are the most comprehensive ones so far.
::* The remaining 4 or 5 worlds are very popular worlds in the top 0.1%
::So despite this wiki being open and announced for a while now it seems there are not that many people to have something to say about Worlds. Yet given how nearly all of the top 0.1% of worlds have not even gotten a page, one should assume we would find someone other than those involved with it to write about them. Or maybe, I guess we just dont need World and Avatar pages after all.
::I am not to say that we have to accommodate creators coming in sharing information about their worlds, but it would most certainly benefit the wiki, if they can abide by the content guidelines. All I want is to provide a way for everyone to contribute, so the community namespace can properly consolidate information that is currently scattered all over the place.
::I would also like to add, that I do think the Community: Namespace is a repository for information of sorts, by the community. This includes worlds, that is if they have more value added than what is in their world description in VRC that is.
::The reason i brought up the classic "ask a friend to paste in my edit" thing is just to outline that this is a real scenario that can and likely already played out on here. It is a reality that simply cannot be moderated or policed away and that we are better off regulating it in a way, where it is visible to the public if only 1 person took part in the page. I guess you could even filter out such pages from the category pages while it has such a noticebox, should that being there count as "advertising". We would also be rewarding people who like to go against the guidelines, if we start blocking good faith edits of the primary source. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 21:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Did you read my reply fully? I responded to various points you made regarding all these issues. Why are you repeating the same thing without anything new or addressing the statements made? [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 22:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I dont believe I repeated myself, but I can see that the way I wrote my reply it may not have looked like a reply to the new points you have brought up in your reply. I have reformatted some key points you made along with quotes from my reply to it, so that it is easier to correlate what i replied to where. And also to be able to better compare it to my initial reply to this topic. If something still feels off, please let me know though.
:::::::"This is a wiki documenting VRChat not VRChat itself. This is an important distinction to make."
:::::::"We should know this already given other community-based VRChat wiki attempts, it often bloats up the categories list with pages that end up being 1-2 paragraphs long, only explaining what's in the world, and that's it."
::::I stated in the first 2 paragraphs, that documenting is not playing out as planned. I also expressed my opionion that counters yours, that I do indeed believe "(...)the Community: Namespace is a repository for information of sorts, by the community" and that the "(...)community namespace can properly consolidate information that is currently scattered all over the place.". Further in regards to empty pages being made, I do believe that if that more quality ocntributions "(...) would most certainly benefit the wiki, if they can abide by the content guidelines."
:::::::"However, not every world is notable, and not every world needs a page"
::::I stated in my reply: "Notability guidelines are already in place for both Avatars and Worlds, which do apply of course."
:::::::"Suggesting that people will simply bypass and find loopholes in policies does NOT justify making them less stringent."
::::I stated in my reply on the last paragraph, that i wanted to "(...)outline that this is a real scenario that can and likely already played out on here. It is a reality that simply cannot be moderated or policed away." Not to disagree with your sentiment, but so reality is taken into account.
:::::::"Wikis should not act as promotional tools for individual creators, they are meant to be an informative resource."
::::I suggested: "...we are better off regulating it in a way, where it is visible to the public if only 1 person took part in the page. I guess you could even filter out such pages from the category pages while it has such a noticebox". In my initial reply I also said: "Regulating COI, like with the recently added "Biased" noticebox is a good way to signal, that there is no need to cheat the system"
::::Overall my believe is also that the content added should be informative/neutral and that this can be accomplished when the "(...)focus (is) on ensuring community content submitted follows all proper content guidelines: NPOV, Manual of Style, Notability."
::::I hope this makes my reply more clear as to where i specifically replied to the points you made. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 22:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::Just want to echo some sentiments expressed here.
:::::- We shouldn't be punishing and/or restricting some of the most knowledgeable and passionate sources of information
:::::- No matter what you do, there MAY be some small amount of people who will advertise/self-promote. You can try and write overly complex policies that as a practical matter - nobody's ever going to read (I want to contribute knowledge not read pages and pages of guidelines - keep it simple !!) OR you can write a very simple and clear policy that just states "don't self promote". Just write a policy that addresses the actual issue.
:::::These policies aren't really pro-active, in an everyday sense they are usually reactive. It's something to point to when a page is removed or moderated or whatever. So rather than say "oh this person kinda knows that guy who worked on the world and it crossed this complicated threshold for COI (even though the page itself is fine)" just say "we don't want self promotion". Clear, simple, concise.
:::::Just an example of the kind of approach I'd rather see. [[User:Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca|Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca]] ([[User talk:Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca|talk]]) 19:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think there's a big misunderstanding of what policies are for. As stated previously, it's not going to magically stop everyone who breaks the policy. It's to lay the groundwork for ''ethical editing.'' To consider it reactive is very reductionary and fails in understanding why we have policies in the first place, fullstop.
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::::::::"We shouldn't be punishing and/or restricting some of the most knowledgeable and passionate sources of information"
::::::The idea of this being "punishment" is an overreaction, creators would still have input regarding their own creations, however we don't want people to simply create pages willy-nilly for all their creations. That's the issue at hand here. Nobody is being punished for having the most knowledge, it's about being ethical and making sure the wiki is a place people can trust to get '''objective''' information from.
::::::Please consider the wiki's goals, it's not a place for creators, it's a place for readers to learn information about specific topics, which is what is meant by '''''Not every world needs a page.''''' Does the three-hundredth and twelve cozy world with a pool table, markers, and mirror wall ''really'' need a page? '''''Would this benefit readers?''''' Sure, I could ''theoretically'' make a page for my own world [https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_8b09cb1e-8628-4be1-81cc-0a3c6a747be0 Somewhere Here], I could talk about how my plans for it were to be a Spookality 2021 entry I never finished, the reasons why, the inspiration behind each room, the small little details behind everything. And all of that would absolutely be excellent information for an article. But... excuse my tone, why the ''hell'' would I do that? Why would I as a creator restrict myself to the wiki's style guide when... I could just as easily make a post about it on my Bsky, or Tumblr, or anywhere else where I have significantly more freedom? Then if I really wanted that to be on the wiki, I could easily just ask, "hey would someone like to make a page about this?" or in the case if already had one, just ask for the information to be added, using the post I made as a citation so people know it came from me.
::::::This feels like such a nothing-burger to argue for. ''in my opinion'', there is no real reason for a world creator to create a page for their own creation. Unless they're seeking to advertise it through the wiki. Or use it as trophy points to say: "Hey look my creation is on the ''official'' wiki!" Because every point I've seen in this thread so far against COI, hasn't been very convincing, or by those who have violated COI previously and would benefit from it's removal/reduction, which would ironically be a direct COI in itself if you want to be meta about this. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I will stick to the quoting style to avoid confusion.
::::::::::"however we don't want people to simply create pages willy-nilly for all their creations"
::::::::::"Not every world needs a page"
::::::::::"Would this benefit readers?"
:::::::I dont know if everyone thinks that, but I do agree with you here, not every world necessarily needs a page. There should be value added when making one. To make a page of mirror world #100 that has just used existing assets seems pointless. However as soon as something unique was added, that could be described and be informative for the reader.
::::::::::"Sure, I could theoretically make a page for my own world"
::::::::::"But... excuse my tone, why the hell would I do that?"
:::::::So that when someone visits your world and would like to read up more about it, they can do so and learn a bit more about its design decisions, technicals and such. How often have you been to a world, where you were wondering how something specific was done. Think "what shader did they use?" "what did they use to do this udon thing?" "how was it optimized even though it uses real time light". I did and I sometimes even ask the creator for such specifics, but it would be much better to have on the wiki (and/or somewhere in the world in the first place...)
:::::::And to continue:
::::::::::" I could just as easily make a post about it on my Bsky, or Tumblr, or anywhere else"
:::::::That is kind of how it is right now, all these small parts of information are scattered all over the web on different places. There is no place where you find proper consolidation of information regarding VRChat, its always a jungle of githubs, discords, twitters, videos, other websites and so on to go through to.
:::::::The Community: Namespace is also supposed to help consolidate all this information, which is why it is a bit more loose to begin with. And while I hope guides and such get ported over to the wiki, even having lists like [https://github.com/madjin/awesome-vrchat Jin's] would help in this endeavor. The Worlds and Avatars are just the cherry on top.
:::::::Regarding your point on someone having a COI in the COI discussion, then you could also argue that anyone who is for a strict COI and has a very popular world, has a COI too. Since they can utilize their community, just as you described, to make the page instead. While others cannot, which assuming the wiki is meant for advertising means they would have less worlds clogging up their "adspace". I know this paragraph is very much hyperbole, but just to counter that all is relative.
:::::::Where you see "no real reason for a world creator to create a page for their own creation" I see plenty. Of course all this is given, that the world/avatar creator actually wants to go through the process of making a proper page to begin with. We should just ensure, that they can in some form. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 21:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

== Why was the COI Policy changed without a prior draft? ==

I understand we had plenty of discussion regarding the COI policy, however just now the policy was changed without a draft for it being discussed beforehand.

Given this is such a big policy change I question who agreed to this change. Because I do not agree, as you can read why on the other thread titled "The current COI policy is not very interpretable" here.

A voice meeting, that not every maintainer can participate in does not constitute to a consensus and this COI policy remains flawed for the Community Namespace. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 20:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:I agree to the new policy. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:I agree to the new policy, albeit with much rewording and proofreading. [[User:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2|Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2]] ([[User talk:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2|talk]]) 20:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::This, it accurately explains the COI as it has been enforced the past few months. Makes it clear to users what is and isn't COI, and explains why what is and isn't allowed.
::All it needs really is extra proofreading and editing to make it more wiki-like in tone. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

== COI Policy Review and update ==

This new discussion will be for a review of the COI and potetional improvements, I create this discussion to inform others I will be reviewing and writting a discussion for those to involve themselfs once I have suggested my review/improvements and we can work together to effectivly come to a soild COI policy

please give me a day or 2, this is alot of reading. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 21:04, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

:I've had around a month to think and propous newer ideas or thoughts explicitly towards CoI, As it turns out the simplest answer is offen the easiest to explain.
:In my view for the longevity of the wiki, I belive its best to '''Completly remove CoI''' aslong as all users '''respect the guidelines''' and keeps the neutral point of view towards the page.
:The point of conflict of intrest is to de-attach creators from their projects, When a page is created they should be '''naturally following an informative manor to write the page in neutrality''', Which makes the conflict of intrest policy '''nulled''' as they are not writting for themselfs, '''They write for everyone else reading.'''
:I belive the wiki maintainers have enough authority and observation to watch pages that are created or modified to notice this, CoI is slowly self-destructing the wiki preventing from genuine creative content being place into the wiki.
:Take the example of this change "18-09-2025 - 00:25 DAG-XR deleted page Community:Project Aincrad" It was removed for CoI violation yet the page was there for '''over 3 months''' giving the public a way to see a cool world within vrchat, '''The page itself was high quaility''', Its '''Very likly''' the maintainer(s) ''''''stalked'''''' the user to determine who created the page to futher push an unfair deletion thanks to this unfair CoI policy.
:My personal view on this CoI Problem which has clearly persisted over sevreal talk pages and months:
:Its been talked over '''sevreal times''' how the CoI is destroying the wiki, yet the maintainers persist that it stays, Why are the maintainers the only voice who wishes this to stay and it does? It seems like a personal tactic to keep the wiki under their authority making themselfs to have and Keep all edits under their own name and have nobody elses involvment yet this is supposit to be a '''project involving the public of VRChat players''', Yet its constantly shut down by maintainers telling everyone they are wrong because they are higher then others in the matter, persistence in their actions being morally correct because They want this space, not the public [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 20:33, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::I'd also Love to note, The page that was deleted was served a delete notice, According to the policy tupper suggested to implement was given ONE WEEK before deletion would occur, The page was deleted TWO DAYS after the notice, which is not only unfair, it doesn't even give the original creator or Anyone else the chance to edit the page.
::I myself saw this notice and was going to go out of my way and update that page myself, But the maintainers striked it away before even giving it a chance.
::Please restore that page so I can atleast rewrite it myself. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 20:49, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Chloe, I appreciate the time and energy you’ve put into sharing your perspective on the COI policy. It’s clear you care about the wiki and its future.
:::That said, I need to be very direct here: the Conflict of Interest policy is staying. The Wiki Organizers and Maintainers have been given both the mission and the authority by VRChat to guide the wiki, set policy, and enforce it. While policies can evolve, removing or radically changing COI would require broad agreement across all three Organizers, more than a dozen Maintainers, and the VRChat team itself. That level of consensus is extraordinarily difficult to achieve, and it’s not something we see happening.
:::What concerns me most is not disagreement over policy, but the repeated accusations and hostility toward maintainers. These are volunteers putting in their time to keep the project healthy. Accusing them of bad faith or harassment crosses the line. This is not productive, and it undermines the respectful environment we expect in all wiki discussions.
:::With kindness but firmness, consider this your last reminder:
:::* The COI policy will remain in place, with possible refinements happening only through constructive discussion.
:::* Authority over how the wiki is run lies with the Organizers and Maintainers, with oversight from VRChat staff.
:::* Continued personal attacks or disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
:::You’re welcome to keep contributing to policy discussions if you keep it respectful and constructive. But if the tone and accusations continue, further action ''will'' be taken.
:::The wiki is here to serve the VRChat community, and that requires structure, civility, and respect for the people who maintain it. Please take this seriously. [[User:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469|Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469]] ([[User talk:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::::ugh, wrong account, but yes, this is me [[User:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344|Tupper - VRC Team]] ([[User talk:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::::I admit to strong hostilitys, I just find it really difficult to under this level of aggravated moderation, I understand the CoI's policys point and its guide towards the wiki, For example that page being deleted didn't even get over 48 hours before it was deleted, I geuninly wanted to re-write it to keep it here, Seeing you state a 1 week policy was suggested (No clue if it was or not as there was no statement for it) and it being deleted in 2 days makes it very hard for me to belive talking even here would lead to any change at all.
::::It has to be clear though all the previous talk pages that something is wrong when muilple wiki contributiors are making bad notice of the CoI over seperate talk pages (Under this active talk page), including changes without notice to the policys, Its missing core involvment, A grand way to change or modify the CoI Is have a simple plan of how action should be taken with fair and balanced time gaps, For example [[:File:Contrib-Pipeline.png|Here is a suggested plan of how things could go]] (Image example of a pipeline).
::::This gives lots of breathing room for the creator to beable to create their own content and have observations/edits done if need be for that creator without the heavy restriction CoI imposes, While CoI will still exisit, it gives that breathing room desired.
::::While I suggest this plan, I hope its really taken into heavy consideration as I belive its a very effective methored of allowing creators to design pages without self-infliction. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 07:48, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

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VRCWiki talk:Conflicts of interest

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== The current COI policy is not very interpretable ==

I have a concern with the current state of the conflicts of interest policy. The documentation on this policy is both lenient and vague, and I feel like this policy needs to be ''VRChat-ified'' and also give examples and what may or may not qualify as a conflict.

For instance:

# "family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships" should remain in the article, but we could also make room to make it more relatable, and pertinent to VRChat. Maybe instead change this to: ''"VRChat friends, real friends, development teams that you hold a relationship with; clients, employers, among financial and other relationships"''
# "Some VRChat users may be the only source of information for worlds, avatars, and tools. It is acceptable for those users to contribute this information." opens up a gate for content creators to unconditionally work on their own article. I feel like there should be some, but limited exception to this rule, and would rather have to status quo be something similar to: ''"If there is uncertainty of information, the presence of misinformation, or misrepresentation contained within in article, the primary source may need to be queried for guidance by an editor."'' rather than personally allowing a COI to occur.
# Creation of an article, made directly by the world or avatar's author (or team) should '''never be allowed''', and this would break the ''"Avoid advertising and use neutral language to maintain a neutral point of view (NPOV)."'' statement within the policy. Creation of an article is giving the content a platform to promote itself, and writing NPOV as the primary source will almost always be impossible; this will be biased.
# We should also be linking 'good faith', 'be bold' and 'neutral point of view' policies; I recently added a COI Noticebox, and "See also" heading to this article recently. Let's proofread that too.

Thanks! [[User:Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0|Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0]] ([[User talk:Usr 8ee44c1a-f905-4e08-bb61-e1cd34e09fc0|talk]]) 00:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

:I think what's most problematic here is that its a direct copy of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|Wikipedia's COI]] page. This should've been changed much earlier to apply to VRCWiki better. Other policies also need significant updates as well for similar reasons I'm noticing. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 00:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

The primary source not being able to straight up make a page in the Community: namespace and not being able to edit on it goes against one of the core principles of VRChat. VRChat is driven by user generated content and often the only ones able to talk about this sort of content are the ones who made it.

This applies to any community content, however for worlds and avatars specifically you may only be able to have surface level pages made for the top 0.1% most visited worlds + some stragglers edited from others unaffiliated. We would simply lose out on a lot of valuble contributions, if we put a roadblock for people to share their knowledge here.

I also dislike that having to go through a talk page would mean to be at the mercy of someone else. This would just mean that a few select who would bother to write up the page based on talk page input, have control of what gets added by selecting such requests or ignoring it. I would much rather someone passionate enough to engage with the wiki directly.

Further, a stringent COI policy wont stop anyone somewhat dedicated enough from making the article anyway. Ask a friend to make a barebones page for you to edit, ask a friend to copy paste your edit in, use an alt to make the page. The options are readily available. You would never know it happened. Maybe having people go this route would be better after all, at least then the illusion of the ideal editor remains alive.

Instead of going so hard on COI, focus on ensuring community content submitted follows all proper content guidelines: NPOV, Manual of Style, Notability. That way, you cannot just sidestep some COI gate. Regulating COI, like with the recently added "Biased" noticebox is a good way to signal, that there is no need to cheat the system. It also encourages people to share more. This also means, that the wiki can be more transparent, highlighting that the primary source is the only source and more input is needed. Finally this kind of regulation would make anyone sidestepping COI just to avoid a noticebox look silly to the public. A true transparent approach.

Following this I don't think it is feasible to use this wiki as advertising, with the aforementioned content guidelines in play. Although 1 page out of hundreds still has some impact on how much it is seen I guess. Talking about advertising, having a stringent COI would just mean the top 0.1% most visited worlds benefit here, since those would be the ones most likely to have pages in some form anyway.

VRC Staff has also signaled 2 months ago in our maintainer check-in meeting, that they have no problem with a primary source contributing on the Community side of the wiki, to help expand the wiki. I can see why, given their overall plans for this wiki project mid-term. And of course, since no one owns the page, anyone may edit on it as per usual.

I have also previously shared extensive thoughts on the COI draft [[User_talk:Usr_681ab43c-99d7-4e40-92ba-956d9d8d66e7/sandbox|here]] a while back. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 01:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

:::''"The primary source not being able to straight up make a page in the Community: namespace and not being able to edit on it goes against one of the core principles of VRChat. VRChat is driven by user generated content and often the only ones able to talk about this sort of content are the ones who made it."''
:This is a ''wiki documenting VRChat'' '''not''' ''VRChat itself''. This is an important distinction to make.
:We create articles regarding VRChat's aspects as a platform from an informative and (as much as we can) unbiased perspective. World creators making pages for their own world is directly in violation of bias and puts scrutiny on what can and cannot be trusted on the wiki. Should Wikipedia also allow creators to go willy-nilly creating pages for their own work because in the real world, someone who creates something might be the only one able to make an article about it?
:Worlds as a whole were never supposed to be part of the wiki in the first place. Still, it was decided to be included to recognize culturally relevant worlds, the scope of what is considered "culturally relevant" is difficult to pinpoint directly without it being on a case-by-case basis. However, '''''not every world is notable, and not every world needs a page.''''' We should know this already given other community-based VRChat wiki attempts, it often bloats up the categories list with pages that end up being 1-2 paragraphs long, only explaining what's in the world, and that's it.
:To put it simply, allowing creators to create pages for their own worlds would likely result in many non-notable, redundant, or low-quality pages, leading to unnecessary bloating. This would dilute the wiki's overall quality and would make it more difficult to find relevant information for readers. We should be striving to prioritize content that is culturally or significantly relevant instead of catering to every single creator. ''Quality over quantity.''
: 
:::''"It also encourages people to share more."''
:Again, while sharing your creations is an important aspect of VRChat, the wiki is ''about'' VRChat, not VRChat itself. People who are not familiar with VRChat will be reading these pages on notable worlds to learn more about them. '''''We are not a repository for sharing and indexing worlds.'''''
: 
:::''"Further, a stringent COI policy wont stop anyone somewhat dedicated enough from making the article anyway."''
:Suggesting that people will simply bypass and find loopholes in policies does ''NOT'' justify making them less stringent. Policy is not about rules or magically stopping every case scenario, but defining '''''ethical editing boundaries.'''''
: 
:::''"Following this I don't think it is feasible to use this wiki as advertising, with the aforementioned content guidelines in play. Although 1 page out of hundreds still has some impact on how much it is seen I guess."''
:Even if only one page in hundreds of pages could be considered advertising, it sets a precedent. '''Wikis should not act as promotional tools for individual creators,''' they are meant to be an ''informative resource.'' If any creator is allowed to create a page for their worlds, it becomes difficult to draw a line between valuable and informative contributions and self-promotion.
: 
:'''''To restate:''''' We are a wiki providing ''informative'' resources ''about'' VRChat. Not an index for worlds, not a tool for creators to get their content out there, but to provide informative information regarding VRChat and relevant creations inside VRChat. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

::Notability guidelines are already in place for both Avatars and Worlds, which do apply of course. I just dont see how we are supposed to document community content on vrchat, by leaving out one of the best and most passionate source for it. Not to mention who else would write about it. Of course you can say that "well it just is not worth writing about", but going by that logic I wonder, how it is that we barely get any world pages made as is.

::Excluding the 1/3 or so of all world pages I authored, that I could meaningfully contribute to and finished up as best as I could, we got:
::* 4 fully featured and finished pages where the creator or those adjacent took part in
::* 8 (actual) stubs. Made by other editors, mostly maintainers. actual stubs as in ones that are not just nearly finished.
::* 6 game world pages, which mostly focus on the gameplay elements, these are the most comprehensive ones so far.
::* The remaining 4 or 5 worlds are very popular worlds in the top 0.1%
::So despite this wiki being open and announced for a while now it seems there are not that many people to have something to say about Worlds. Yet given how nearly all of the top 0.1% of worlds have not even gotten a page, one should assume we would find someone other than those involved with it to write about them. Or maybe, I guess we just dont need World and Avatar pages after all.
::I am not to say that we have to accommodate creators coming in sharing information about their worlds, but it would most certainly benefit the wiki, if they can abide by the content guidelines. All I want is to provide a way for everyone to contribute, so the community namespace can properly consolidate information that is currently scattered all over the place.
::I would also like to add, that I do think the Community: Namespace is a repository for information of sorts, by the community. This includes worlds, that is if they have more value added than what is in their world description in VRC that is.
::The reason i brought up the classic "ask a friend to paste in my edit" thing is just to outline that this is a real scenario that can and likely already played out on here. It is a reality that simply cannot be moderated or policed away and that we are better off regulating it in a way, where it is visible to the public if only 1 person took part in the page. I guess you could even filter out such pages from the category pages while it has such a noticebox, should that being there count as "advertising". We would also be rewarding people who like to go against the guidelines, if we start blocking good faith edits of the primary source. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 21:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Did you read my reply fully? I responded to various points you made regarding all these issues. Why are you repeating the same thing without anything new or addressing the statements made? [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 22:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I dont believe I repeated myself, but I can see that the way I wrote my reply it may not have looked like a reply to the new points you have brought up in your reply. I have reformatted some key points you made along with quotes from my reply to it, so that it is easier to correlate what i replied to where. And also to be able to better compare it to my initial reply to this topic. If something still feels off, please let me know though.
:::::::"This is a wiki documenting VRChat not VRChat itself. This is an important distinction to make."
:::::::"We should know this already given other community-based VRChat wiki attempts, it often bloats up the categories list with pages that end up being 1-2 paragraphs long, only explaining what's in the world, and that's it."
::::I stated in the first 2 paragraphs, that documenting is not playing out as planned. I also expressed my opionion that counters yours, that I do indeed believe "(...)the Community: Namespace is a repository for information of sorts, by the community" and that the "(...)community namespace can properly consolidate information that is currently scattered all over the place.". Further in regards to empty pages being made, I do believe that if that more quality ocntributions "(...) would most certainly benefit the wiki, if they can abide by the content guidelines."
:::::::"However, not every world is notable, and not every world needs a page"
::::I stated in my reply: "Notability guidelines are already in place for both Avatars and Worlds, which do apply of course."
:::::::"Suggesting that people will simply bypass and find loopholes in policies does NOT justify making them less stringent."
::::I stated in my reply on the last paragraph, that i wanted to "(...)outline that this is a real scenario that can and likely already played out on here. It is a reality that simply cannot be moderated or policed away." Not to disagree with your sentiment, but so reality is taken into account.
:::::::"Wikis should not act as promotional tools for individual creators, they are meant to be an informative resource."
::::I suggested: "...we are better off regulating it in a way, where it is visible to the public if only 1 person took part in the page. I guess you could even filter out such pages from the category pages while it has such a noticebox". In my initial reply I also said: "Regulating COI, like with the recently added "Biased" noticebox is a good way to signal, that there is no need to cheat the system"
::::Overall my believe is also that the content added should be informative/neutral and that this can be accomplished when the "(...)focus (is) on ensuring community content submitted follows all proper content guidelines: NPOV, Manual of Style, Notability."
::::I hope this makes my reply more clear as to where i specifically replied to the points you made. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 22:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::Just want to echo some sentiments expressed here.
:::::- We shouldn't be punishing and/or restricting some of the most knowledgeable and passionate sources of information
:::::- No matter what you do, there MAY be some small amount of people who will advertise/self-promote. You can try and write overly complex policies that as a practical matter - nobody's ever going to read (I want to contribute knowledge not read pages and pages of guidelines - keep it simple !!) OR you can write a very simple and clear policy that just states "don't self promote". Just write a policy that addresses the actual issue.
:::::These policies aren't really pro-active, in an everyday sense they are usually reactive. It's something to point to when a page is removed or moderated or whatever. So rather than say "oh this person kinda knows that guy who worked on the world and it crossed this complicated threshold for COI (even though the page itself is fine)" just say "we don't want self promotion". Clear, simple, concise.
:::::Just an example of the kind of approach I'd rather see. [[User:Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca|Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca]] ([[User talk:Usr 4ff4eeb3-c824-406a-86f3-1252d585b4ca|talk]]) 19:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think there's a big misunderstanding of what policies are for. As stated previously, it's not going to magically stop everyone who breaks the policy. It's to lay the groundwork for ''ethical editing.'' To consider it reactive is very reductionary and fails in understanding why we have policies in the first place, fullstop.
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::::::::"We shouldn't be punishing and/or restricting some of the most knowledgeable and passionate sources of information"
::::::The idea of this being "punishment" is an overreaction, creators would still have input regarding their own creations, however we don't want people to simply create pages willy-nilly for all their creations. That's the issue at hand here. Nobody is being punished for having the most knowledge, it's about being ethical and making sure the wiki is a place people can trust to get '''objective''' information from.
::::::Please consider the wiki's goals, it's not a place for creators, it's a place for readers to learn information about specific topics, which is what is meant by '''''Not every world needs a page.''''' Does the three-hundredth and twelve cozy world with a pool table, markers, and mirror wall ''really'' need a page? '''''Would this benefit readers?''''' Sure, I could ''theoretically'' make a page for my own world [https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_8b09cb1e-8628-4be1-81cc-0a3c6a747be0 Somewhere Here], I could talk about how my plans for it were to be a Spookality 2021 entry I never finished, the reasons why, the inspiration behind each room, the small little details behind everything. And all of that would absolutely be excellent information for an article. But... excuse my tone, why the ''hell'' would I do that? Why would I as a creator restrict myself to the wiki's style guide when... I could just as easily make a post about it on my Bsky, or Tumblr, or anywhere else where I have significantly more freedom? Then if I really wanted that to be on the wiki, I could easily just ask, "hey would someone like to make a page about this?" or in the case if already had one, just ask for the information to be added, using the post I made as a citation so people know it came from me.
::::::This feels like such a nothing-burger to argue for. ''in my opinion'', there is no real reason for a world creator to create a page for their own creation. Unless they're seeking to advertise it through the wiki. Or use it as trophy points to say: "Hey look my creation is on the ''official'' wiki!" Because every point I've seen in this thread so far against COI, hasn't been very convincing, or by those who have violated COI previously and would benefit from it's removal/reduction, which would ironically be a direct COI in itself if you want to be meta about this. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I will stick to the quoting style to avoid confusion.
::::::::::"however we don't want people to simply create pages willy-nilly for all their creations"
::::::::::"Not every world needs a page"
::::::::::"Would this benefit readers?"
:::::::I dont know if everyone thinks that, but I do agree with you here, not every world necessarily needs a page. There should be value added when making one. To make a page of mirror world #100 that has just used existing assets seems pointless. However as soon as something unique was added, that could be described and be informative for the reader.
::::::::::"Sure, I could theoretically make a page for my own world"
::::::::::"But... excuse my tone, why the hell would I do that?"
:::::::So that when someone visits your world and would like to read up more about it, they can do so and learn a bit more about its design decisions, technicals and such. How often have you been to a world, where you were wondering how something specific was done. Think "what shader did they use?" "what did they use to do this udon thing?" "how was it optimized even though it uses real time light". I did and I sometimes even ask the creator for such specifics, but it would be much better to have on the wiki (and/or somewhere in the world in the first place...)
:::::::And to continue:
::::::::::" I could just as easily make a post about it on my Bsky, or Tumblr, or anywhere else"
:::::::That is kind of how it is right now, all these small parts of information are scattered all over the web on different places. There is no place where you find proper consolidation of information regarding VRChat, its always a jungle of githubs, discords, twitters, videos, other websites and so on to go through to.
:::::::The Community: Namespace is also supposed to help consolidate all this information, which is why it is a bit more loose to begin with. And while I hope guides and such get ported over to the wiki, even having lists like [https://github.com/madjin/awesome-vrchat Jin's] would help in this endeavor. The Worlds and Avatars are just the cherry on top.
:::::::Regarding your point on someone having a COI in the COI discussion, then you could also argue that anyone who is for a strict COI and has a very popular world, has a COI too. Since they can utilize their community, just as you described, to make the page instead. While others cannot, which assuming the wiki is meant for advertising means they would have less worlds clogging up their "adspace". I know this paragraph is very much hyperbole, but just to counter that all is relative.
:::::::Where you see "no real reason for a world creator to create a page for their own creation" I see plenty. Of course all this is given, that the world/avatar creator actually wants to go through the process of making a proper page to begin with. We should just ensure, that they can in some form. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 21:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

== Why was the COI Policy changed without a prior draft? ==

I understand we had plenty of discussion regarding the COI policy, however just now the policy was changed without a draft for it being discussed beforehand.

Given this is such a big policy change I question who agreed to this change. Because I do not agree, as you can read why on the other thread titled "The current COI policy is not very interpretable" here.

A voice meeting, that not every maintainer can participate in does not constitute to a consensus and this COI policy remains flawed for the Community Namespace. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a|talk]]) 20:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:I agree to the new policy. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:I agree to the new policy, albeit with much rewording and proofreading. [[User:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2|Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2]] ([[User talk:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2|talk]]) 20:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::This, it accurately explains the COI as it has been enforced the past few months. Makes it clear to users what is and isn't COI, and explains why what is and isn't allowed.
::All it needs really is extra proofreading and editing to make it more wiki-like in tone. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd|talk]]) 20:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

== COI Policy Review and update ==

This new discussion will be for a review of the COI and potetional improvements, I create this discussion to inform others I will be reviewing and writting a discussion for those to involve themselfs once I have suggested my review/improvements and we can work together to effectivly come to a soild COI policy

please give me a day or 2, this is alot of reading. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 21:04, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

:I've had around a month to think and propous newer ideas or thoughts explicitly towards CoI, As it turns out the simplest answer is offen the easiest to explain.
:In my view for the longevity of the wiki, I belive its best to '''Completly remove CoI''' aslong as all users '''respect the guidelines''' and keeps the neutral point of view towards the page.
:The point of conflict of intrest is to de-attach creators from their projects, When a page is created they should be '''naturally following an informative manor to write the page in neutrality''', Which makes the conflict of intrest policy '''nulled''' as they are not writting for themselfs, '''They write for everyone else reading.'''
:I belive the wiki maintainers have enough authority and observation to watch pages that are created or modified to notice this, CoI is slowly self-destructing the wiki preventing from genuine creative content being place into the wiki.
:Take the example of this change "18-09-2025 - 00:25 DAG-XR deleted page Community:Project Aincrad" It was removed for CoI violation yet the page was there for '''over 3 months''' giving the public a way to see a cool world within vrchat, '''The page itself was high quaility''', Its '''Very likly''' the maintainer(s) ''''''stalked'''''' the user to determine who created the page to futher push an unfair deletion thanks to this unfair CoI policy.
:My personal view on this CoI Problem which has clearly persisted over sevreal talk pages and months:
:Its been talked over '''sevreal times''' how the CoI is destroying the wiki, yet the maintainers persist that it stays, Why are the maintainers the only voice who wishes this to stay and it does? It seems like a personal tactic to keep the wiki under their authority making themselfs to have and Keep all edits under their own name and have nobody elses involvment yet this is supposit to be a '''project involving the public of VRChat players''', Yet its constantly shut down by maintainers telling everyone they are wrong because they are higher then others in the matter, persistence in their actions being morally correct because They want this space, not the public [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 20:33, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::I'd also Love to note, The page that was deleted was served a delete notice, According to the policy tupper suggested to implement was given ONE WEEK before deletion would occur, The page was deleted TWO DAYS after the notice, which is not only unfair, it doesn't even give the original creator or Anyone else the chance to edit the page.
::I myself saw this notice and was going to go out of my way and update that page myself, But the maintainers striked it away before even giving it a chance.
::Please restore that page so I can atleast rewrite it myself. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 20:49, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Chloe, I appreciate the time and energy you’ve put into sharing your perspective on the COI policy. It’s clear you care about the wiki and its future.
:::That said, I need to be very direct here: the Conflict of Interest policy is staying. The Wiki Organizers and Maintainers have been given both the mission and the authority by VRChat to guide the wiki, set policy, and enforce it. While policies can evolve, removing or radically changing COI would require broad agreement across all three Organizers, more than a dozen Maintainers, and the VRChat team itself. That level of consensus is extraordinarily difficult to achieve, and it’s not something we see happening.
:::What concerns me most is not disagreement over policy, but the repeated accusations and hostility toward maintainers. These are volunteers putting in their time to keep the project healthy. Accusing them of bad faith or harassment crosses the line. This is not productive, and it undermines the respectful environment we expect in all wiki discussions.
:::With kindness but firmness, consider this your last reminder:
:::* The COI policy will remain in place, with possible refinements happening only through constructive discussion.
:::* Authority over how the wiki is run lies with the Organizers and Maintainers, with oversight from VRChat staff.
:::* Continued personal attacks or disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
:::You’re welcome to keep contributing to policy discussions if you keep it respectful and constructive. But if the tone and accusations continue, further action ''will'' be taken.
:::The wiki is here to serve the VRChat community, and that requires structure, civility, and respect for the people who maintain it. Please take this seriously. [[User:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469|Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469]] ([[User talk:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::::ugh, wrong account, but yes, this is me [[User:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344|Tupper - VRC Team]] ([[User talk:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
::::I admit to strong hostilitys, I just find it really difficult to under this level of aggravated moderation, I understand the CoI's policys point and its guide towards the wiki, For example that page being deleted didn't even get over 48 hours before it was deleted, I geuninly wanted to re-write it to keep it here, Seeing you state a 1 week policy was suggested (No clue if it was or not as there was no statement for it) and it being deleted in 2 days makes it very hard for me to belive talking even here would lead to any change at all.
::::It has to be clear though all the previous talk pages that something is wrong when muilple wiki contributiors are making bad notice of the CoI over seperate talk pages (Under this active talk page), including changes without notice to the policys, Its missing core involvment, A grand way to change or modify the CoI Is have a simple plan of how action should be taken with fair and balanced time gaps, For example [[:File:Contrib-Pipeline.png|Here is a suggested plan of how things could go]] (Image example of a pipeline).
::::This gives lots of breathing room for the creator to beable to create their own content and have observations/edits done if need be for that creator without the heavy restriction CoI imposes, While CoI will still exisit, it gives that breathing room desired.
::::While I suggest this plan, I hope its really taken into heavy consideration as I belive its a very effective methored of allowing creators to design pages without self-infliction. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509|talk]]) 07:48, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

== Learn and how to fix the wiki ==

And learn how to get the badge and all every day [[User:Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3|Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3]] ([[User talk:Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3|talk]]) 05:07, 24 September 2026 (UTC)

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If you want to translate following page, please send transcript to [[Special:ListUsers/interface-admin | Interface Admin]] on discord.
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===Note===
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== Iron mouse should be added ==

It would be so cool to see iron mouse on VR chat [[User:Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3|Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3]] ([[User talk:Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3|talk]]) 04:52, 24 September 2026 (UTC)

== Miku ==

Miku is a cool person in VR chat, but they should do more like Collabs [[User:Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3|Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3]] ([[User talk:Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3|talk]]) 04:53, 24 September 2026 (UTC)

== mobile bug ==

“The Wiki seems a little buggy on my phone. Is anyone else experiencing this?” [[User:Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3|Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3]] ([[User talk:Usr 7a0f97c2-409f-45bc-90b4-71e29f549cd3|talk]]) 04:56, 24 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

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Getting Started

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{{#description2:This page will help you get started with VRChat. You’ll be up and running in a jiffy!}}
This page will help you '''get started''' with [[Special:MyLanguage/VRChat|VRChat]]. You’ll be up and running in a jiffy!


Reading this page will easily explain:


*Which [[Special:MyLanguage/Platforms|devices]] are VRChat compatible
*Where to install VRChat from
*What to expect during your first few minutes of using VRChat
*Bonus video guides to help with your first experience


If you are unfamiliar with any [[Special:MyLanguage/Community:Terminology|Terminology]], or subjects, feel free to click on any of the blue highlighted hyperlinks that lead to other pages of the VRChat Wiki.

== System requirements / recommendations == 

=== Standalone devices === 


VRChat runs on the following standalone headsets:
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|Quest 2; Quest 3; Quest 3S; Quest Pro
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=== Mobile devices === 


VRChat can be played on any Android 10+, or iOS 17.0+ device with at least 6GB of system RAM, and is connected to Wi-Fi or over 4G/5G cellular networks.


Any recent mid-range or higher Android or iOS device should meet these specifications.

=== Steam Deck === 


Valve's testing indicates that VRChat is Verified on the Steam Deck. It is fully functional and works great with the built-in controls and display.


*All functionality is accessible when using the default controller configuration.
*VRChat shows Steam Deck controller icons.
*In-game interface text is legible on the Steam Deck.
*VRChat's default graphics configuration performs well on the device.

=== Linux === 


VRChat does not provide a native Linux client. It can be played on Linux, including the Steam Deck, through Valve's Proton compatibility layer. VRChat has stated that there are no concrete plans for a native Linux client.<ref name="devqa1may2026">[https://ask.vrchat.com/t/may-1-2026-developer-stream-q-a-summary/48386 "May 1 2026 Developer Stream Q&A Summary"] on ''[[ask.vrchat.com]]''. Posted May 5, 2026. Retrieved June 18, 2026.</ref>

=== PC === 


Minimum requirements<ref>VRChat Help, System Requirements, [https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500002378722-System-Requirements help.vrchat.com]</ref><ref>Steam Store, VRChat, [https://store.steampowered.com/app/438100/VRChat/ store.steampowered.com]</ref> to play are based of SteamVR minimum requirements<ref>Steam Store, SteamVR, [https://store.steampowered.com/app/250820/SteamVR/ store.steampowered.com]</ref>.


If you want to see if your PC is compatible with playing VRChat, you can compare your PC specs with the minimum requirements listed below.


* '''CPU:''' Intel® i5-4590 or AMD FX 8350 or equivalent
* '''Memory:''' 4GB
* '''GPU:''' NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 970 or AMD Radeon™ R9 290 or equivalent
* '''Disk Space:''' {{formatnum:31.5}}GB of storage (~{{formatnum:1.5}}GB for application<ref>SteamDB, VRChat, Depot [https://steamdb.info/depot/438101/ steamdb.info]</ref>, 30GB minimum cache size)
* '''Internet Connection:''' required (25Mbps+ download speed recommended)
* '''OS:''' Windows 10, Windows 11


These are the absolute minimum requirements to run VRChat on desktop and VR mode. Although the application will run, you may encounter performance issues. VRChat has lots of user-created content, some [[Special:MyLanguage/Avatars|avatars]] and [[Special:MyLanguage/Worlds|worlds]] may cause your performance to drop more than you might expect from a typical game! It is recommended adjusting your [[Special:MyLanguage/Safety|Safety Settings]] for the most optimal experience.


VRChat benefits from big caches which can be found in AMD X3D CPU Series. As for the GPU, selecting cards that have more V-RAM will give you a performant experience. However, in certain cases (Including VR) it is mostly recommended that you choose a card that has generally better performance.


=== PC (Cloud) ===
==== GeForce NOW ====


VRChat is available via [https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce-now/ GeForce NOW]<ref>Announcement at X - [https://x.com/VRChat/status/1854237896707899862 x.com]</ref>

==== Shadow PC ==== 


VRChat uses Easy Anti-Cheat (EAC), which is provided by Epic Games. As of 2026, running VRChat on the Shadow PC cloud-gaming service has been affected by a compatibility issue with EAC's handling of virtual machines. VRChat has described this as an ongoing three-way situation between VRChat, Easy Anti-Cheat, and Shadow PC. VRChat has stated that, for security reasons, it will not disable or reduce its anti-cheat for virtual machines, and that the issue must be resolved between the other parties.<ref name="devqa1may2026" />

== Installing VRChat == 


=== On Meta Quest ===
''for Meta Quest 2, Meta Quest 3, Meta Quest 3S, Meta Quest Pro''


Either search for '''VRChat''' on the Meta store, or install from the [https://www.meta.com/experiences/1856672347794301 Meta page].


=== On Pico ===
''for Pico 4, Pico 4 Pro, Pico 4 Ultra''


Either search for '''VRChat''' on the Pico store, or install from the [https://store-global.picoxr.com/global/detail/1/7288745304105664518 Pico Store page].


=== On Vive ===
''for Vive XR Elite, Vive Focus Vision''


On the Viveport Store page, you may either search for '''VRChat''', or click [https://www.viveport.com/apps/4b5187b8-004c-473c-9219-258c3ea8e255 here].


=== On PC ===
It's recommended to install the [https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nmzlz57r3t7 HEVC Video Extensions] for better video playback support.

==== Via Steam ==== 


On the Steam Store page, you may either search for '''VRChat''', or click [https://store.steampowered.com/app/438100/VRChat here].

==== Via Viveport ==== 


On the Viveport Store page, you may either search for '''VRChat''', or click [https://www.viveport.com/apps/469fbcbb-bfde-40b5-a7d4-381249d387cd/ here].


==== Via Meta Store ====
''for Meta Rift, Meta Rift S''


Either search for '''VRChat''' on the Meta store, or install from the [https://www.meta.com/experiences/pcvr/vrchat/997678176960598/ Meta page].

=== On Android === 


You can search for '''VRChat''' on the Google Play Store, or tap this link on your mobile device.


=== On iOS ===
You can search for '''VRChat''' on the iOS / iPadOS App Store, or [https://apps.apple.com/app/vrchat/id6448578770 tap this link on your mobile device].
To install and play the app, you need an iPhone or iPad model running iOS 17 or later with at least 6GB of RAM.

== Account creation == 


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When you launch VRChat, you will be presented with a log in screen. You will have options on changing languages, reading [[Special:MyLanguage/Terms of Service|Terms of Service]] and the [[Special:MyLanguage/Privacy Policy|Privacy Policy]], and primarily signing in with a VRChat account, or create a device account via Steam, Meta, Google, Pico, or VIVE, depending on the device being used. To log in to a VRChat account, you must first [https://vrchat.com/home/register register] on VRChat's website. Creating a VRChat account will grant you access to the VRChat application, a web version of your VRChat profile, friend list, browse worlds, and generate [[Special:MyLanguage/Impostors|impostors]]. You will also be able to access [[Special:MyLanguage/VRChat_SDK|VRChat's Software Development Kit]], [https://feedback.vrchat.com Feedback Forums], [https://ask.vrchat.com Ask Forums], enroll in the [[Special:MyLanguage/Creator Economy|Creator Economy]] Program, and edit the VRChat Wiki.


Creating a device account via Steam, Meta, Google, Pico, or VIVE, will only grant instantaneous access to the VRChat application. It is also possible to [[Special:MyLanguage/Account Merging|merge accounts]] if you wish to generate a device account now, and create a VRChat account later. After merging your device account to a VRChat account, choosing to log into the device account will transfer your login to the VRChat account.

== Learning how to use VRChat == 


When you log into VRChat, you’ll start in a private Home world! Here, you can explore at your own pace to learn the [[Special:MyLanguage/Controls|controls]], adjust [[Special:MyLanguage/Settings|settings]], find your first avatar, and go to your next world! The default Home world is the [[Special:MyLanguage/VRChat Home|VRChat Home]], a welcoming place to begin your session. You can choose to go back to your private Home instance at any time by opening up the Quick Menu, and choosing the '''Go Home''' tile.


When meeting another user in VRChat, you can open up your [[Special:MyLanguage/Quick Menu|Quick Menu]], and learn more information about a user. To do this in VR, point the laser in your off-hand at them. A capsule will appear, and you click the trigger button to bring open a separate menu. On desktop, you can either click the '''Select User''' tile, or hold the Shift key and hover over the capsule. Use the left mouse button to open the new menu. On mobile, simply tap on the user to bring open the menu.


In the Quick Menu there also is a tab which shows you the list of current players in the instance: the '''Here''' tab. By clicking on one of the user names in the list you can: read their biography, request to add them as a friend, change their microphone volume, mute them, hide their avatar, [[Special:MyLanguage/Avatars#Cloning|clone]] their avatar if available, or block them.


== Change UI Language ==
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*The icons can be used to identify which button to click.
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File:How to change UI Language1.webp|1. Open Quick Menu and '''Double Click''' on the '''Gear''' Icon.
File:How_to_change_UI_Language2.webp|2. Select the category '''between the mirror and gamepad symbols''' to navigate to the User Interface category, and click the button '''highlighted by the Green Circle'''.
File:How_to_change_UI_Language3.webp|3. Select '''English''' or your '''preferred language'''.
</gallery>Additionally, you can change your language setting on the '''login screen'''.

== Community resources == 

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Our community has created many great guides on getting started in VRChat. Here are a few videos that you can check out to learn how to use VRChat, and also some additional guides and context.

=== Articles === 


* [https://spritesanddice.com/features/vrchat-survival-pack/ The VRChat Survival Guide], by Adam Factor - A summary of VRChat, recommended headsets, and a 'starter pack' of VRChat communities to participate in.


=== Videos ===
Thank you to PHIA and [[Special:MyLanguage/Community:The Virtual Reality Show|The Virtual Reality Show]] team for creating the videos below.


*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm8quWg_wig <nowiki>VRCHAT BEGINNERS GUIDE [2024] - Introduction for New Players!</nowiki>] - This guide is a great primer on how to get started in VRChat.


*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UBmmpt5iJ8 Best Places to see in VRChat! Quest & PC feat. Thrillseeker]- Now that you’ve learned how to use VRChat, here are some places to explore.


*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWr4diTDqJM How to upload a VRChat Avatar - Complete Guide! PC, Quest & VRoid] - If you’re curious how to create and upload your avatar, this video is a great starting point.


*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DomfNq0vNCk The Best VR Setup for YOU!] - This guide for 2024 reviews the current VR hardware landscape and gives a good picture of what VRChat players use as they upgrade their equipment.


*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSyS4HSaFPA Derafrog's Ultimate A to Z Guide to VRChat] - Offers a comprehensive video on many parts of VRChat.

== Official resources == 


*{{VRC link|https://vrch.at/getting-started | Getting Started}} on ''help.vrchat.com''


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