VRCWiki talk:Conflicts of interest - Revision history

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	:::The wiki is here to serve the VRChat community, and that requires structure, civility, and respect for the people who maintain it. Please take this seriously. [[User:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469\|Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469]] ([[User talk:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469\|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)		:::The wiki is here to serve the VRChat community, and that requires structure, civility, and respect for the people who maintain it. Please take this seriously. [[User:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469\|Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469]] ([[User talk:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469\|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
	::::ugh, wrong account, but yes, this is me [[User:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344\|Tupper - VRC Team]] ([[User talk:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344\|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)		::::ugh, wrong account, but yes, this is me [[User:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344\|Tupper - VRC Team]] ([[User talk:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344\|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
			::::I admit to strong hostilitys, I just find it really difficult to under this level of aggravated moderation, I understand the CoI's policys point and its guide towards the wiki, For example that page being deleted didn't even get over 48 hours before it was deleted, I geuninly wanted to re-write it to keep it here, Seeing you state a 1 week policy was suggested (No clue if it was or not as there was no statement for it) and it being deleted in 2 days makes it very hard for me to belive talking even here would lead to any change at all.
			::::It has to be clear though all the previous talk pages that something is wrong when muilple wiki contributiors are making bad notice of the CoI over seperate talk pages (Under this active talk page), including changes without notice to the policys, Its missing core involvment, A grand way to change or modify the CoI Is have a simple plan of how action should be taken with fair and balanced time gaps, For example [[:File:Contrib-Pipeline.png\|Here is a suggested plan of how things could go]] (Image example of a pipeline).
			::::This gives lots of breathing room for the creator to beable to create their own content and have observations/edits done if need be for that creator without the heavy restriction CoI imposes, While CoI will still exisit, it gives that breathing room desired.
			::::While I suggest this plan, I hope its really taken into heavy consideration as I belive its a very effective methored of allowing creators to design pages without self-infliction. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|talk]]) 07:48, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344: /* COI Policy Review and update */ Reply

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	:::You’re welcome to keep contributing to policy discussions if you keep it respectful and constructive. But if the tone and accusations continue, further action ''will'' be taken.		:::You’re welcome to keep contributing to policy discussions if you keep it respectful and constructive. But if the tone and accusations continue, further action ''will'' be taken.
	:::The wiki is here to serve the VRChat community, and that requires structure, civility, and respect for the people who maintain it. Please take this seriously. [[User:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469\|Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469]] ([[User talk:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469\|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)		:::The wiki is here to serve the VRChat community, and that requires structure, civility, and respect for the people who maintain it. Please take this seriously. [[User:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469\|Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469]] ([[User talk:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469\|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
			::::ugh, wrong account, but yes, this is me [[User:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344\|Tupper - VRC Team]] ([[User talk:Usr 5cd9007b-1802-45fe-92e2-0b6617639344\|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469: /* COI Policy Review and update */ Reply

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	::I myself saw this notice and was going to go out of my way and update that page myself, But the maintainers striked it away before even giving it a chance.		::I myself saw this notice and was going to go out of my way and update that page myself, But the maintainers striked it away before even giving it a chance.
	::Please restore that page so I can atleast rewrite it myself. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|talk]]) 20:49, 18 September 2025 (UTC)		::Please restore that page so I can atleast rewrite it myself. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|talk]]) 20:49, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
			:::Chloe, I appreciate the time and energy you’ve put into sharing your perspective on the COI policy. It’s clear you care about the wiki and its future.
			:::That said, I need to be very direct here: the Conflict of Interest policy is staying. The Wiki Organizers and Maintainers have been given both the mission and the authority by VRChat to guide the wiki, set policy, and enforce it. While policies can evolve, removing or radically changing COI would require broad agreement across all three Organizers, more than a dozen Maintainers, and the VRChat team itself. That level of consensus is extraordinarily difficult to achieve, and it’s not something we see happening.
			:::What concerns me most is not disagreement over policy, but the repeated accusations and hostility toward maintainers. These are volunteers putting in their time to keep the project healthy. Accusing them of bad faith or harassment crosses the line. This is not productive, and it undermines the respectful environment we expect in all wiki discussions.
			:::With kindness but firmness, consider this your last reminder:
			:::* The COI policy will remain in place, with possible refinements happening only through constructive discussion.
			:::* Authority over how the wiki is run lies with the Organizers and Maintainers, with oversight from VRChat staff.
			:::* Continued personal attacks or disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
			:::You’re welcome to keep contributing to policy discussions if you keep it respectful and constructive. But if the tone and accusations continue, further action ''will'' be taken.
			:::The wiki is here to serve the VRChat community, and that requires structure, civility, and respect for the people who maintain it. Please take this seriously. [[User:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469\|Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469]] ([[User talk:Usr c1644b5b-3ca4-45b4-97c6-a2a0de70d469\|talk]]) 21:35, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509: /* COI Policy Review and update */ Reply

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	:My personal view on this CoI Problem which has clearly persisted over sevreal talk pages and months:		:My personal view on this CoI Problem which has clearly persisted over sevreal talk pages and months:
	:Its been talked over '''sevreal times''' how the CoI is destroying the wiki, yet the maintainers persist that it stays, Why are the maintainers the only voice who wishes this to stay and it does? It seems like a personal tactic to keep the wiki under their authority making themselfs to have and Keep all edits under their own name and have nobody elses involvment yet this is supposit to be a '''project involving the public of VRChat players''', Yet its constantly shut down by maintainers telling everyone they are wrong because they are higher then others in the matter, persistence in their actions being morally correct because They want this space, not the public [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|talk]]) 20:33, 18 September 2025 (UTC)		:Its been talked over '''sevreal times''' how the CoI is destroying the wiki, yet the maintainers persist that it stays, Why are the maintainers the only voice who wishes this to stay and it does? It seems like a personal tactic to keep the wiki under their authority making themselfs to have and Keep all edits under their own name and have nobody elses involvment yet this is supposit to be a '''project involving the public of VRChat players''', Yet its constantly shut down by maintainers telling everyone they are wrong because they are higher then others in the matter, persistence in their actions being morally correct because They want this space, not the public [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|talk]]) 20:33, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
			::I'd also Love to note, The page that was deleted was served a delete notice, According to the policy tupper suggested to implement was given ONE WEEK before deletion would occur, The page was deleted TWO DAYS after the notice, which is not only unfair, it doesn't even give the original creator or Anyone else the chance to edit the page.
			::I myself saw this notice and was going to go out of my way and update that page myself, But the maintainers striked it away before even giving it a chance.
			::Please restore that page so I can atleast rewrite it myself. [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|talk]]) 20:49, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509: /* COI Policy Review and update */ Reply

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	<small>please give me a day or 2, this is alot of reading.</small> [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|talk]]) 21:04, 18 August 2025 (UTC)		<small>please give me a day or 2, this is alot of reading.</small> [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|talk]]) 21:04, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

			:I've had around a month to think and propous newer ideas or thoughts explicitly towards CoI, As it turns out the simplest answer is offen the easiest to explain.
			:In my view for the longevity of the wiki, I belive its best to '''Completly remove CoI''' aslong as all users '''respect the guidelines''' and keeps the neutral point of view towards the page.
			:The point of conflict of intrest is to de-attach creators from their projects, When a page is created they should be '''naturally following an informative manor to write the page in neutrality''', Which makes the conflict of intrest policy '''nulled''' as they are not writting for themselfs, '''They write for everyone else reading.'''
			:I belive the wiki maintainers have enough authority and observation to watch pages that are created or modified to notice this, CoI is slowly self-destructing the wiki preventing from genuine creative content being place into the wiki.
			:Take the example of this change "18-09-2025 - 00:25 DAG-XR deleted page Community:Project Aincrad" It was removed for CoI violation yet the page was there for '''over 3 months''' giving the public a way to see a cool world within vrchat, '''The page itself was high quaility''', Its '''Very likly''' the maintainer(s) ''''''stalked'''''' the user to determine who created the page to futher push an unfair deletion thanks to this unfair CoI policy.
			:My personal view on this CoI Problem which has clearly persisted over sevreal talk pages and months:
			:Its been talked over '''sevreal times''' how the CoI is destroying the wiki, yet the maintainers persist that it stays, Why are the maintainers the only voice who wishes this to stay and it does? It seems like a personal tactic to keep the wiki under their authority making themselfs to have and Keep all edits under their own name and have nobody elses involvment yet this is supposit to be a '''project involving the public of VRChat players''', Yet its constantly shut down by maintainers telling everyone they are wrong because they are higher then others in the matter, persistence in their actions being morally correct because They want this space, not the public [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|talk]]) 20:33, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

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	::This, it accurately explains the COI as it has been enforced the past few months. Makes it clear to users what is and isn't COI, and explains why what is and isn't allowed.		::This, it accurately explains the COI as it has been enforced the past few months. Makes it clear to users what is and isn't COI, and explains why what is and isn't allowed.
	::All it needs really is extra proofreading and editing to make it more wiki-like in tone. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|talk]]) 20:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)		::All it needs really is extra proofreading and editing to make it more wiki-like in tone. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|talk]]) 20:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

			== COI Policy Review and update ==

			This new discussion will be for a review of the COI and potetional improvements, I create this discussion to inform others I will be reviewing and writting a discussion for those to involve themselfs once I have suggested my review/improvements and we can work together to effectivly come to a soild COI policy

			<small>please give me a day or 2, this is alot of reading.</small> [[User:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509]] ([[User talk:Usr 1a5319fb-f3a7-4ee9-8ed3-83c96116b509\|talk]]) 21:04, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

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	:I agree to the new policy. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|talk]]) 20:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)		:I agree to the new policy. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|talk]]) 20:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
	:I agree to the new policy, albeit with much rewording and proofreading. [[User:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2\|Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2]] ([[User talk:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2\|talk]]) 20:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)		:I agree to the new policy, albeit with much rewording and proofreading. [[User:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2\|Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2]] ([[User talk:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2\|talk]]) 20:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
			::This, it accurately explains the COI as it has been enforced the past few months. Makes it clear to users what is and isn't COI, and explains why what is and isn't allowed.
			::All it needs really is extra proofreading and editing to make it more wiki-like in tone. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|talk]]) 20:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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	:I agree to the new policy. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|talk]]) 20:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)		:I agree to the new policy. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|talk]]) 20:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
			:I agree to the new policy, albeit with much rewording and proofreading. [[User:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2\|Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2]] ([[User talk:Usr 578aa632-439b-4c41-9266-776323ba9ad2\|talk]]) 20:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd: /* Why was the COI Policy changed without a prior draft? */ Reply

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	A voice meeting, that not every maintainer can participate in does not constitute to a consensus and this COI policy remains flawed for the Community Namespace. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a\|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a\|talk]]) 20:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)		A voice meeting, that not every maintainer can participate in does not constitute to a consensus and this COI policy remains flawed for the Community Namespace. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a\|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a\|talk]]) 20:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

			:I agree to the new policy. [[User:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd]] ([[User talk:Usr c272d4fe-f1f8-4d77-8008-cad6cb81d6cd\|talk]]) 20:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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	:::::::Regarding your point on someone having a COI in the COI discussion, then you could also argue that anyone who is for a strict COI and has a very popular world, has a COI too. Since they can utilize their community, just as you described, to make the page instead. While others cannot, which assuming the wiki is meant for advertising means they would have less worlds clogging up their "adspace". I know this paragraph is very much hyperbole, but just to counter that all is relative.		:::::::Regarding your point on someone having a COI in the COI discussion, then you could also argue that anyone who is for a strict COI and has a very popular world, has a COI too. Since they can utilize their community, just as you described, to make the page instead. While others cannot, which assuming the wiki is meant for advertising means they would have less worlds clogging up their "adspace". I know this paragraph is very much hyperbole, but just to counter that all is relative.
	:::::::Where you see "no real reason for a world creator to create a page for their own creation" I see plenty. Of course all this is given, that the world/avatar creator actually wants to go through the process of making a proper page to begin with. We should just ensure, that they can in some form. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a\|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a\|talk]]) 21:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)		:::::::Where you see "no real reason for a world creator to create a page for their own creation" I see plenty. Of course all this is given, that the world/avatar creator actually wants to go through the process of making a proper page to begin with. We should just ensure, that they can in some form. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a\|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a\|talk]]) 21:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

			== Why was the COI Policy changed without a prior draft? ==

			I understand we had plenty of discussion regarding the COI policy, however just now the policy was changed without a draft for it being discussed beforehand.

			Given this is such a big policy change I question who agreed to this change. Because I do not agree, as you can read why on the other thread titled "The current COI policy is not very interpretable" here.

			A voice meeting, that not every maintainer can participate in does not constitute to a consensus and this COI policy remains flawed for the Community Namespace. [[User:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a\|Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a]] ([[User talk:Usr 6909a532-22e9-49f7-81e3-e964fe7dc00a\|talk]]) 20:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)